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#5641160 - 03/08/15 12:44 PM 150 grain ballistic did not do him in
pedrov23 Offline
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I had been stalking this tusker for several months, but he always stood outside the green lights of the feeder. Finally had a shot at him and took it with my Weatherby .308, using 150 grain ballistic. It was only about a 50 yard shot and I knew I hit him in the left shoulder, which usually brings them down for me. But I found nothing, no blood trail at all. Searched for over an hour in the dark, which was a bit nerve wracking. Anyway, my buddy shot him two nights later as he came limping in to the feeder. Sure enough, there was a wound in his left shoulder (not shown here). Man, our Texas hogs are tough. Guess it just didn't penetrate the shield?? Or the bullet fragmented. Not sure. Upon further investigation, I have read that it is probably best to use 165 gr or maybe 180 gr. Any thoughts?



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#5641183 - 03/08/15 01:01 PM Re: 150 grain ballistic did not do him in [Re: pedrov23]
der Teufel Offline
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I dunno.

I use 150 and 180 grain bullets (Hornady Interlocks - nothing exotic). Which bullet depends upon what gun I'm using. I can't say I've ever felt undergunned with the 150's. In fact, I reload for a buddy's .30-06 and I'm planning to switch him from 180's to 150's because when supplies were tight, Hornady kept making the 150 grain SP bullets while they suspended the manufacture of the 180 BTSP's I'd been using. The 180's are again available, but who knows what the future will bring? Anyway, so far the 150's have worked fine for me.

Typically on a shoulder shot to a hog that weighs 150 Lbs or less a 150 grain SP bullet exits.

I'm shooting a .308 also.
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#5641288 - 03/08/15 02:12 PM Re: 150 grain ballistic did not do him in [Re: pedrov23]
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Years ago I blasted a 400 pounder with my 270 and a first generation 130 gr Nosler BT. Dropped him. Bullet stuck in the shield/cartilage in the far side.

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#5641371 - 03/08/15 03:27 PM Re: 150 grain ballistic did not do him in [Re: pedrov23]
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I've taken hogs with 130 grain in .270 win, 150 grain in 30.06, and 165 grain in .308 win. The bullet should have taken care of it.

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#5641379 - 03/08/15 03:33 PM Re: 150 grain ballistic did not do him in [Re: pedrov23]
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At 50 yards it doesn't surprise me it didn't do its job. Most of the time it will but ballistic tips are not made for short range. At short ranges they will either open up too quick not allowing adequate penetration or not open up at all causing "in and out" needle wounds. I have seen both.
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#5641439 - 03/08/15 04:25 PM Re: 150 grain ballistic did not do him in [Re: pedrov23]
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Geez, here we go again with the baloney about short range and Ballistic Tips. That big hog I shot was at 50 yards. I put the bullet right behind his shoulder at approx. 3000 fps, and note that I mentioned it was the first generation version of that bullet. I have shot hundreds of deer at varying ranges from 30 yards to 400ish yards (with that bullet) and I have never (to my knowledge) had one fail me if I placed it well.

I will admit that when I saw that monster hog, there I was with my 270 and that was the first time I ever wondered if I had brought enough gun. That hog was huge. But, ya dance with who brung ya, so I shot him and he went down hard.

Still, and I shouldn't have to say this, you have to match the bullet to the game. I won't shoot a deer with a 55 gr Nosler Ballistic Tip or any varmint type BT. The bullet I use now in my 260 is only 100 gr, but it's a Nosler BT. The 250 pound hog I shot some time back was plenty dead when I hit him with that at 75 yards, with a bullet speed of approx. 3100. Didn't blow up. Worked just fine.

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#5641464 - 03/08/15 04:44 PM Re: 150 grain ballistic did not do him in [Re: pedrov23]
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It would be helpful to see where you actually hit. That close and fast may have shattered the bullet, deflected it, etc. Depending on where you hit, you may have hit very heavy bone.
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#5641489 - 03/08/15 04:57 PM Re: 150 grain ballistic did not do him in [Re: Double Naught Spy]
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Agree with DNS, it is hard to know what might have happened without being able to look at the wound site.

But for future opportunities...I would offer only this: (Circumstance Permitting) ALWAYS take a 'neck shot', stay off of the shoulder. I think you will be pleased with the results.

Nice hog, keep after them!

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#5641491 - 03/08/15 04:57 PM Re: 150 grain ballistic did not do him in [Re: pedrov23]
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The 150 ballistic in .308 should be more than enough for the job. I would guess that, in this case, it was more about placement. I'm more about head shots and neck is good too. Too much seems to go wrong more often on shoulder shots on hogs. Their vitals are lower and further forward than a deer. A shot "behind" the shoulder can miss all vitals.


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#5641707 - 03/08/15 06:48 PM Re: 150 grain ballistic did not do him in [Re: pedrov23]
breadman Offline
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ive shot the Winchester ballistic silvertip in my 25/06 for 15 plus years , deer , hogs, rams its my go to rifle . always caught slack from my hunting buddies and guides about it. heard the storys of deflection on impact , it finaly happened after 15 years of using it , shot a nice buck at about 65 yards aiming at the heart , he done the hi leg kick like a mule , thought he was done . nope tracked and trailed for a week even with a dog looking for him . pulled cameras after season and low and behold there he was with a nasty scar on his shoulder but least he lived , all I can figure is that at close range the bullit did not stabilize and deflected , least that's what ive been told.
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#5641715 - 03/08/15 06:52 PM Re: 150 grain ballistic did not do him in [Re: pedrov23]
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I'm not trying to make a ballistic tip stink, but I have not had good luck with the ballistic tip bullets. I agree with JCB on the in and out needle wounds. One year I tried deer hunting with them using a 300 mag and shot a big buck twice in one sitting and lost him. The old man next door found one of his sheds that spring and it was the side with the 13" teardrop drop tine with a little bit of black velvet still stuck on the end of the drop tine. The buck had exceptionally long brow tines, too. Needless to say this was not a hard buck to recognize and so the buck lived to see another season. I hunted him the next season and killed him 100yds from where I had shot him the season before. You don't have to believe this if you don't want to. I never had a problem with good soft point bullets. I have killed a jillion hogs with a 55gr .223 soft point. Some of the 300+ lb. hogs took a double tap. If you can get them head on you can drop them in their tracks if you'll just shoot them between the eyes. I've got a picture on here that shows this. That's a 40yd shot with a .223 55gr soft point and that hog never moved at all after the hit.
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#5641781 - 03/08/15 07:14 PM Re: 150 grain ballistic did not do him in [Re: pedrov23]
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I've never had good results on heavy tissue shots with ballistic tips. Get you some fusion or partition bullets.
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#5641818 - 03/08/15 07:35 PM Re: 150 grain ballistic did not do him in [Re: pedrov23]
breadman Offline
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yep still shoot my 25/06 but did change to soft points .
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#5641879 - 03/08/15 07:57 PM Re: 150 grain ballistic did not do him in [Re: pedrov23]
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I would guess that, being a ballistic tip, the bullet entered, fragmented into pieces in the shoulder and didn't make it past the (probably shattered) scapula and into the vitals?? Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't ballistic tip, bthp match, and varmint bullets designed to fragment and not penetrate deep? I'd think the bullet just didnt make it past a thick hide, tough gristle, and dense shoulder bone.... Even though it is a .308.
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#5641980 - 03/08/15 08:36 PM Re: 150 grain ballistic did not do him in [Re: pedrov23]
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Over 1000 hogs have died at my hands using ballistic tipped 120sst's most under 50 yards. While they will grenade sometimes up close its usually devastating. I think this was just one of those times when luck was on his side, kinda like these stories you hear of people surviving when the parachute does not open. But this bit about ballistic tips not working is pardon the pun hog wash.

I think where everyone gets this ballistic tip is bad is from v-max or similar fragmenting bullets. You do realize ballistic tip is just to improve the ballistics of the bullet during flight, not to make it an exploding bullet right??? Look at the ballistic tipped barnes bullets they are not fragmenting bullets. So yes fragmenting bullets like the v-max are not ideal on hogs, SST's, Barnes tipped, ect are just fine.



Edited by Texaslawman (03/08/15 08:37 PM)
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