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#5632588 - 03/03/15 04:40 PM So you want to hunt Crows - newest regs - Oh my....
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gumshoe

Registered: 08/31/05
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Loc: North Texas
50 CFR 21.43 link
Federal Register Nov 2014 link


I don't see the "nuisance" wording anymore and the to protect "wildlife" has been changed to endangered, threatened, or candidate species.

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§21.43 Depredation order for blackbirds, cowbirds, crows, grackles, and magpies.

(a) Species covered.

(species list - see link)

(b) Conditions under which control is allowed by private citizens. You do not need a Federal permit to control the species listed in paragraph (a) of this section in the following circumstances:

(1) Where they are causing serious injuries to agricultural or horticultural crops or to livestock feed;

(2) When they cause a health hazard or structural property damage;

(3) To protect a species recognized by the Federal Government as an endangered, threatened, or candidate species in any county in which it occurs, as shown in the Service's Environmental Conservation Online System (http://ecos.fws.gov);

(4) To protect a species recognized by the Federal Government as an endangered or threatened species in designated critical habitat for the species; or

(5) To protect a species recognized by a State or Tribe as endangered, threatened, candidate, or of special concern if the control takes place within that State or on the lands of that tribe, respectively.
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#5632594 - 03/03/15 04:45 PM Re: So you want to hunt Crows - newest regs - Oh my.... [Re: Sniper John]
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gumshoe

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And there is more. Some was there before, some has changed. The non toxic for Crows was added a couple years ago I think, but the must attempt to control by nonlethal first is new.

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(6) Each calendar year, you must attempt to control depredation by species listed under this depredation order using nonlethal methods before you may use lethal control. Nonlethal control methods can include such measures as netting and flagging, the use of trained raptors, propane cannons, and recordings.

(d) Ammunition. In most cases, if you use a firearm to kill migratory birds under the provisions of this section, you must use nontoxic shot or nontoxic bullets to do so. See §20.21(j) of this chapter for a listing of approved nontoxic shot types. However, this prohibition does not apply if you use an air rifle or an air pistol for control of depredating birds.

(e) Access to control efforts. If you exercise any of the privileges granted by this section, you must allow any Federal, State, tribal, or territorial wildlife law enforcement officer unrestricted access at all reasonable times (including during actual operations) over the premises on which you are conducting the control. You must furnish the officer whatever information he or she may require about your control operations.

(h) Disposition of birds and parts. You may not sell, or offer to sell, any bird, or any part thereof, killed under this section, but you may possess, transport, and otherwise dispose of the bird or its parts, including transferring them to authorized research or educational institutions. If not transferred, the bird and its parts must either be burned, or buried at least 1 mile from the nesting area of any migratory bird species recognized by the Federal Government, the State, or a Tribe as an endangered or threatened species.


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#5632600 - 03/03/15 04:49 PM Re: So you want to hunt Crows - newest regs - Oh my.... [Re: Sniper John]
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gumshoe

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And then there is the reporting requirement. Crow hunting in Texas as of Dec 2014 just became very difficult if you do it legal by Federal Law.

Here is your form, which includes the number of birds taken, what months, state and county, and purpose taken such as for protection of agriculture, human health, property, etc.

http://www.fws.gov/forms/3-202-21-2143.docx

(i) Annual report. Any person, business, organization, or government official acting under this depredation order must provide an annual report using FWS Form 3-202-21-2143 to the appropriate Regional Migratory Bird Permit Office. The addresses for the Regional Migratory Bird Permit Offices are provided at 50 CFR 2.2, and are on the form. The report is due by January 31st of the following year and must include the information requested on the form.

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#5632614 - 03/03/15 04:56 PM Re: So you want to hunt Crows - newest regs - Oh my.... [Re: Sniper John]
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They gonna add crowhunting to the taxcode now?

Good grief, less paperwork filing my taxes.

So, sniper, u say you cannot use lead on them bastards?


Edited by beaversnipe (03/03/15 04:58 PM)

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#5632621 - 03/03/15 05:02 PM Re: So you want to hunt Crows - newest regs - Oh my.... [Re: Sniper John]
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You know, all this non toxic load is an attempt to end up with dove
Lets start with crow and accustom people to it

Ridiculous. My metrogun is useless now on them crow

Crow are no good to notin

Nothin!!!

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#5632628 - 03/03/15 05:05 PM Re: So you want to hunt Crows - newest regs - Oh my.... [Re: Sniper John]
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Oh grackles too?
Whats next, pigeons?

This state has become way too democratic

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#5632633 - 03/03/15 05:07 PM Re: So you want to hunt Crows - newest regs - Oh my.... [Re: Sniper John]
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In most cases you must use lead


ooooooooooo


Ok

Show me te other cases

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#5632640 - 03/03/15 05:11 PM Re: So you want to hunt Crows - newest regs - Oh my.... [Re: beaversnipe]
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gumshoe

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Loc: North Texas
Originally Posted By: beaversnipe
They gonna add crowhunting to the taxcode now?

Good grief, less paperwork filing my taxes.

So, sniper, u say you cannot use lead on them bastards?


If by depredation order, then it must be non tox. Been that way for a while. A lot of state regs have not caught up to it and some possibly never will such as it is with the federal vs state definition of possession of migratory birds. If it is within a Crow hunting season, then lead is allowed unless the respective state law or regulation does not allow it.

Oklahoma changed their wording about it outside of their Crow season.
"Federally approved nontoxic shot must be used when taking crows under depredation order."
http://www.eregulations.com/oklahoma/hunting/migratory-game-bird-regulations/


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#5632644 - 03/03/15 05:14 PM Re: So you want to hunt Crows - newest regs - Oh my.... [Re: Sniper John]
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Ok, so i guess im still good tillthe next government
But u have to fill up that paperwork for crows and grackles

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#5632647 - 03/03/15 05:18 PM Re: So you want to hunt Crows - newest regs - Oh my.... [Re: beaversnipe]
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gumshoe

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Originally Posted By: beaversnipe
Oh grackles too?
Whats next, pigeons?

This state has become way too democratic


It's Federal Ivan, not State. Crows actually fall under the migratory bird treaty act. Federal law supersedes State. So what is in State regulation related to Crows generally come from Federal law. Whatever they include in the Texas outdoor annual is a summary of both and not the actual laws or regulations word for word. Which is normal for these birds and rarely if ever up to date on the State level and I have never heard of it being enforced either. But a Federal GW having a bad day could certainly cite someone if they did not go through the steps and reporting requirements.
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#5632670 - 03/03/15 05:29 PM Re: So you want to hunt Crows - newest regs - Oh my.... [Re: beaversnipe]
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gumshoe

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Originally Posted By: beaversnipe
Ok, so i guess im still good tillthe next government
But u have to fill up that paperwork for crows and grackles


If your hunting Crows in Oklahoma during Oklahoma's Crow hunting season then you can use lead.
If your hunting Crows in Oklahoma outside of Oklahoma's Crow Season, it can only be by depredation order, you can't use lead.
If your hunting Crows in Texas where there is no season, it can only be by depredation order, you can't use lead.

Some people have posted replys from USFW that the Federal interpretation does not consider calls and decoys to be allowed if hunting by depredation order and would only be allowed during an actual season. The reason being that your not protecting anything if your attracting them.

Oklahoma and Louisiana both have a Crow season. Maybe it is time Texas had one. Might be worth some research if someone wanted to see what it takes to get it on the TPWD Commission's docket to discuss. Imagine the fight we would get from the Peta types. Unfortunately I think that window of opportunity was missed long ago.

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#5632875 - 03/03/15 07:00 PM Re: So you want to hunt Crows - newest regs - Oh my.... [Re: Sniper John]
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Last time I went outside I didn't notice a lack of crows.
Never targeted them, but like to pop a few here and there on a slow duck hunt.
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#5632888 - 03/03/15 07:05 PM Re: So you want to hunt Crows - newest regs - Oh my.... [Re: Sniper John]
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So how many of you will continue to hunt crows here in TX? Great off season fun!
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#5632948 - 03/03/15 07:33 PM Re: So you want to hunt Crows - newest regs - Oh my.... [Re: Sniper John]
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Wow.

There was a crow in my back yard this afternoon. First one ever!
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#5632967 - 03/03/15 07:39 PM Re: So you want to hunt Crows - newest regs - Oh my.... [Re: Sniper John]
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gumshoe

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I don't have a good private place to hunt them in Texas and it has never been legal to hunt them on public here, so with these rule changes I probably will not bother with them in Texas anymore even though I doubt these Federal rules are going to be enforced by TX GWs. I do try to hunt them in OK every year where there are lots of public areas I can utilize. I had planned on hunting them in Oklahoma today, but my truck was in the shop for front end work yesterday and they had to keep it overnight. Season ends tomorrow and I have to work. Kind of been my luck this whole hunting season. If it's not one thing it's another. So my hunting season for anything that has feathers on it is officially over as of today.
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