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#5625072 - 02/27/15 08:08 PM When is a deal a deal?
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I will try to make this short, but overall, my question is "when is a deal a deal?"

We all have read the stories about leases and the problems that come up on them. We have all read stories of shady outfitters. I have been lucky enough to never have a bad deal on a lease, some minor issues, but nothing that I consider unethical or back-handed, of course until now. So, the question begs, when is a deal a deal.

If you tell someone "I will take it", they say "Great", and then you set up a weekend in March to go and look at the property and meet the owner to go over the contract...would you assume that you have the lease?

Lets take it a step farther. You have talked to this person off and on for the last 2 or 3 years. You have discussed the possibility of leasing out some of the owners other land or even being a member of their lease, and you sent them a couple of hunters to help fill a few spots on their lease.

This year, the "lease manager" is getting off and they are looking to replace him. You talk with the same guy four or five times, they send you the contract, pictures of the properties, all the details and go over the "good and bad" of the lease. All sounds like it is going to work out and you have the conversation that I dictated in the first of this post.

Then you get a call from one of the hunters that you sent, who also thought I was going to be leasing the property, to say that they gave it to someone else. While they avoided calling to tell me, they at least answered the phone. Not sure what I expected because I just don't see that there is an answer for agreeing to a deal, sending the contract and land descriptions, and setting up a meeting with the owner, then giving it to someone else. I guess maybe an apology, but instead I got excuses and lack of accountability. Even got the "blame others" game. It is also a good thing that I knew one of the hunters or I guess I would have made a long trip for nothing.

If I was guessing, the guy I was talking to had no real part in the decision making process and made a deal he wasn't in place to make. Really no telling, but for the sake of the hunters I sent over to them, I hope that the new "lease manager" is more stand up than the ones that were running it...

I guess to answer my own question, a deal isn't a deal until contracts are signed and money is exchanged. A man's word and a verbal agreement just aren't what they used to be.

Sorry for the rant and sounding like a whiny -----, but people constantly surprise me and I wonder at what point, my expectations of others will be lowered to reality.
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#5625088 - 02/27/15 08:14 PM Re: When is a deal a deal? [Re: txshntr]
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Think of all those rounds of golf and steak dinners you saved on though.

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#5625091 - 02/27/15 08:15 PM Re: When is a deal a deal? [Re: txshntr]
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Now that that's out of the way. It sucks and never can tell why people do the things that they do.

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#5625095 - 02/27/15 08:16 PM Re: When is a deal a deal? [Re: txshntr]
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Where you dealing with the LO?
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#5625096 - 02/27/15 08:17 PM Re: When is a deal a deal? [Re: txshntr]
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Different meaning to folks. My word is my bond.
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#5625099 - 02/27/15 08:17 PM Re: When is a deal a deal? [Re: stxranchman]
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Originally Posted By: stxranchman
Where you dealing with the LO?


No. He was a current lease member. Lease and contract would have been directly with the LO though. They were setting up the meeting with the LO for me to take it over
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#5625100 - 02/27/15 08:18 PM Re: When is a deal a deal? [Re: Ramsey]
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Originally Posted By: Ramsey
Different meaning to folks. My word is my bond.


I can attest to that cheers
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#5625105 - 02/27/15 08:20 PM Re: When is a deal a deal? [Re: txshntr]
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Could have not even been ran by the landowner, in the grand scheme of things an agreement with someone not in position to be having that discussion leads to problems.

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#5625110 - 02/27/15 08:23 PM Re: When is a deal a deal? [Re: txshntr]
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#5625111 - 02/27/15 08:24 PM Re: When is a deal a deal? [Re: txshntr]
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Originally Posted By: txshntr
Originally Posted By: stxranchman
Where you dealing with the LO?


No. He was a current lease member. Lease and contract would have been directly with the LO though. They were setting up the meeting with the LO for me to take it over

I would call the LO and speak with him directly and let him know about how this "deal" went down.
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#5625117 - 02/27/15 08:28 PM Re: When is a deal a deal? [Re: txshntr]
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This statement makes the difference in all that to me

""If you tell someone "I will take it", they say "Great", and then you set up a weekend in March to go and look at the property and meet the owner to go over the contract...would you assume that you have the lease?""

At 1st I though maybe you came across a bit indecisive, but "I will take it", pretty much takes care of that. Could have been someone else came in with more $, seen that a time or 2, still a crappy way of doing business.
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#5625132 - 02/27/15 08:32 PM Re: When is a deal a deal? [Re: Western]
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Originally Posted By: Western
This statement makes the difference in all that to me

""If you tell someone "I will take it", they say "Great", and then you set up a weekend in March to go and look at the property and meet the owner to go over the contract...would you assume that you have the lease?""

At 1st I though maybe you came across a bit indecisive, but "I will take it", pretty much takes care of that. Could have been someone else came in with more $, seen that a time or 2, still a crappy way of doing business.


No money issues. That was part of the contract with the owner
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#5625134 - 02/27/15 08:32 PM Re: When is a deal a deal? [Re: stxranchman]
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Originally Posted By: stxranchman
Originally Posted By: txshntr
Originally Posted By: stxranchman
Where you dealing with the LO?


No. He was a current lease member. Lease and contract would have been directly with the LO though. They were setting up the meeting with the LO for me to take it over

I would call the LO and speak with him directly and let him know about how this "deal" went down.


If I had met them, I would. Wouldn't be hard to find.
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#5625138 - 02/27/15 08:33 PM Re: When is a deal a deal? [Re: rifleman]
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Could have not even been ran by the landowner, in the grand scheme of things an agreement with someone not in position to be having that discussion leads to problems.


Probably a lot of truth to that
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#5625142 - 02/27/15 08:34 PM Re: When is a deal a deal? [Re: txshntr]
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Originally Posted By: txshntr
Originally Posted By: stxranchman
Originally Posted By: txshntr
Originally Posted By: stxranchman
Where you dealing with the LO?


No. He was a current lease member. Lease and contract would have been directly with the LO though. They were setting up the meeting with the LO for me to take it over

I would call the LO and speak with him directly and let him know about how this "deal" went down.


If I had met them, I would. Wouldn't be hard to find.

I would make the trip to meet with him, your deal might be being shoved under the door mat.
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