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#5622637 - 02/26/15 06:27 PM howa guns... be honest
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Ok, I'm very very tempted by this howa .308 fairly short bull barrel with a houge stock... I was thinking glass bed it, they have a drop in bottom metal that converts to box magazines, maybe a trigger job...great knock around gun...

What kind of acuracy would likely be seen assuming match grade ammo... idk anything about howas
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#5622647 - 02/26/15 06:36 PM Re: howa guns... be honest [Re: catslayer]
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Not my favorite brand, hate the triggers, but the little 7mm08 Howa I had was very accurate.

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#5622808 - 02/26/15 07:47 PM Re: howa guns... be honest [Re: catslayer]
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Same as Weatherby Vanguard. They're made in the same factory in Japan. Sub-MOA out of the box for the standard contour. Should be excellent out of the bull barrel also I would assume. No experience with them myself, but have done tons of research on them trying to figure out what my next rifle is going to be.

JThoele, how old is yours? My research shows that they re-did the trigger around 2010 or 2011 and the new ones are excellent.

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#5622891 - 02/26/15 08:23 PM Re: howa guns... be honest [Re: catslayer]
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Weatherby uses the Howa 1500 for their Vanguard series. I have 2 of the Weatherby Vanguard "Sub-MOA" rifles are both shoot great with factory ammo.
I've read Howa also rebrands for Smith & Wesson (S&W 1500) and Mossberg (Mossberg 1500).
They are good guns and great for the price. Factory trigger is decent and adjustable. It's the same trigger than goes in the Weatherby. Accuracy is good and of course is much better with hand loads.
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#5622909 - 02/26/15 08:32 PM Re: howa guns... be honest [Re: catslayer]
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They are great guns. The one I've shot had a 3 lb factory trigger and was very accurate. Change the stock if you want but I wouldn't worry about the trigger.
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#5622916 - 02/26/15 08:34 PM Re: howa guns... be honest [Re: catslayer]
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yep
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#5622942 - 02/26/15 08:46 PM Re: howa guns... be honest [Re: catslayer]
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Patriot 07, not sure how old the gun I had was. It was a Howa 1500 compact. Mushy, gritty trigger pull, but that being said it grouped well and was a handy little rifle while I had it. Call me biased or a broken record to several other threads that have been made on here, but I am critical on other factory rifle triggers with the bar being set quite high with those from Tikka. Not hating on the Howas because if the price was right, I would own another Howa (especially this new mini compact action they are releasing).

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#5623025 - 02/26/15 09:25 PM Re: howa guns... be honest [Re: catslayer]
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I don't have experience with one, but have researched the same model for consideration as a suppressor host. The general consensus with the heavy-barreled models from those who have them claim consistent sub-moa groups and good actions; overall seem to really like them. Do a Google search and you will find many reviews.

Howa also has a 6.5 Creedmoor slated for release this year in a 24" heavy-barrel model (according to Legacy Sports International it will be mid-summer before they will have any).
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#5623453 - 02/27/15 07:50 AM Re: howa guns... be honest [Re: catslayer]
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Their good enough actions, But a pain to work on the barrels or rebarrel I won't take them anymore.
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#5623482 - 02/27/15 08:08 AM Re: howa guns... be honest [Re: catslayer]
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My first rifle was a Howa 1500 in 270 Win, and I still have that rifle. They will shoot very good. Feel confident in buying one.

If you plan to upgrade it with a new barrel at some point, most gun smiths will not do it. The threading on the action/barrel is metric, and has a progressively tighter threading, which makes it very difficult to work on. If you keep the factory barrel on and upgrade the stock, trigger etc, it will do just fine. Easily sub moa. Feel confident in buying one.
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#5623869 - 02/27/15 11:03 AM Re: howa guns... be honest [Re: HorizonFirearms]
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Originally Posted By: HorizonFirearms
Their good enough actions, But a pain to work on the barrels or rebarrel I won't take them anymore.


What's the problem?
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#5623877 - 02/27/15 11:07 AM Re: howa guns... be honest [Re: ChadTRG42]
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Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
My first rifle was a Howa 1500 in 270 Win, and I still have that rifle. They will shoot very good. Feel confident in buying one.

If you plan to upgrade it with a new barrel at some point, most gun smiths will not do it. The threading on the action/barrel is metric, and has a progressively tighter threading, which makes it very difficult to work on. If you keep the factory barrel on and upgrade the stock, trigger etc, it will do just fine. Easily sub moa. Feel confident in buying one.


Progressively tighter in what way? - Is it the major diameter that gets tighter, as in when a tap is used - or does the threading pitch actually change a hair or two? If it's just the major diameter, chucking the barrel up in a lathe and applying the file to taper the last bit of threading before the breech should fix you right up.
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#5623939 - 02/27/15 11:46 AM Re: howa guns... be honest [Re: catslayer]
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The thread pitch stays the same. The threading is slightly cone shaped. I'm not a gun smith, but I know several who I have talked to about the Howa/Weatherby actions on this, and all agree it's a PITA to work on. They won't work on it for 2 reasons- the metric threading (changing the gearing on their lathe) and the progressive threading. Sure you can do it, but it's a PITA to do and most smith's won't mess with them.
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#5623961 - 02/27/15 11:52 AM Re: howa guns... be honest [Re: catslayer]
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And to think over 100 gunsmithing students a year barrel Howas with under 100hrs experience on a lathe.
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#5624060 - 02/27/15 12:54 PM Re: howa guns... be honest [Re: catslayer]
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I miss my M1500 axiom 22-250... sweet shooting gun took a while to get use to the trigger for sure
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