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#5609956 - 02/20/15 11:37 AM Marines Allow Operators to Choose Glocks over MARSOC .45s
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Although I figured they would carry the 21 not the 17/19.

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The Marine Corps has authorized MARSOC operators to carry Glock pistols, since most of the elite outfit's members prefer the popular 9mm over the custom .45 pistols the service bought them in 2012.

The Corps issued a Feb. 2 Marine Administrative Message, or MARADMIN, that green-lighted Marine Corps Forces Special Operations Command, or MARSOC, units to use the Glock 19, a proven design used by many units in U.S. Special Operations Command.

The reliable, easy-to-maintain 9mm features a polymer frame and a 17-round magazine.

The Marine Corps just completed an exhaustive search for a new MARSOC pistol in 2012. The service awarded a $22.5 million contract to Colt Defense LLC., for up to 10,000 Close Quarter Battle Pistols.

The custom, 1911 design replaced the fleet of worn-out MARSOC M45 pistols. It features a rail for mounting lights, a custom trigger, a manual safety, improved ergonomics and glowing Tritium sights for low-light conditions.

As nice as the new .45s are, MARSOC troops prefer to carry Glock 19s instead, sources said.

The 1911 was a ground-breaking design that served the U.S. military before World War I until the mid-1980s. The design is still popular, but it's also heavy, prone to malfunction and limited to seven or eight-round magazines, pistols experts have said.

The Corps began issuing custom 1911 .45 pistols to its elite Force Reconnaissance units in the 1990s. Gunsmiths at the Quantico Weapons Training Battalion Precision Weapons Section hand built them from old 1911s that had been replaced by the M9 9mm pistol in the mid-1980s.

The creation of the first MARSOC units in 2006 caused the requirement to grow from 400 pistols to 4,000 pistols. Finding enough surplus 1911s for the Precision Weapons Section's custom rebuilds became impractical.

The Marines chose to stick with the 1911 design for MARSOC. Marine testers placed a high priority on accuracy. The winner of the 2012 contract had to be capable of putting five-shot groups on target that "didn't exceed four inches by four inches at 25 yards" from an unsupported firing position, Marine officials maintain.

But military pistol experts maintain that the 1911 design, while extremely accurate, requires more training and care than other modern tactical pistols.

Young operators have had trouble with the 1911's beavertail grip safety, according to one former Marine weapons instructor who trained MARSOC members.

Many shooters wearing gloves tend to grip the 1911 too high and do not properly disengage the beavertail grip safety, so the pistol won't fire, he said. A lot of professional shooters who run custom 1911s will disable that beavertail grip safety to avoid this problem, he added.

The 1911 design is also known for feed-way stoppages, a malfunction caused when a round gets stuck feeding into the chamber, experts said. Horizontal and vertical stovepipes – types of malfunctions that occur when an empty shell casing gets caught in the ejection port – are also a problem with the 1911 design.

The Feb. 2 MARADMIN, is an annual message that lays out guidelines for authorized individual weapons, optics and accessories for Marine Corps rifle and pistol training.
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#5610032 - 02/20/15 12:19 PM Re: Marines Allow Operators to Choose Glocks over MARSOC .45s [Re: KRoyal]
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I don't know why anyone would choose a glock over that Colt, but I guess it's nice to have options at least. Maybe they'll try out the PMR 30 next?

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#5610104 - 02/20/15 01:04 PM Re: Marines Allow Operators to Choose Glocks over MARSOC .45s [Re: KRoyal]
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Well considering the Colt M1070CQBP 1911 M45A1 Close Quarter Battle Pistol is $1750 on sale, I'd take 3 Glocks and 1K+ of ammo any day of the week and twice on Sunday. I know if I were an Operator and needed my gun to go bang every single time I'd choose Glock over any 1911 especially if I were fighting in bad conditions (rain, snow, sandy, muddy).
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#5610126 - 02/20/15 01:16 PM Re: Marines Allow Operators to Choose Glocks over MARSOC .45s [Re: KRoyal]
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Not to mention 7+1 in the Colt vs 19+1 in the glock...I'd much rather get to shoot 20 times instead of 8 before having to reload.

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#5610134 - 02/20/15 01:20 PM Re: Marines Allow Operators to Choose Glocks over MARSOC .45s [Re: KRoyal]
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#5610139 - 02/20/15 01:23 PM Re: Marines Allow Operators to Choose Glocks over MARSOC .45s [Re: KRoyal]
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how could you have problems with the grip safety, your hand goes on the grip it presses in the safety.

for accuracy i'd rather have the 1911, but having more than double the rounds in 9mm is a difference maker.

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#5610152 - 02/20/15 01:30 PM Re: Marines Allow Operators to Choose Glocks over MARSOC .45s [Re: KRoyal]
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If it had to be a Glock, I'd like a 21 Gen 4

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#5610155 - 02/20/15 01:32 PM Re: Marines Allow Operators to Choose Glocks over MARSOC .45s [Re: blackcoal]
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LOL

You know me and my Glocks..
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#5610158 - 02/20/15 01:33 PM Re: Marines Allow Operators to Choose Glocks over MARSOC .45s [Re: MacDaddy21]
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Hopefully they allow the Glock 17 as well - bigger guys might have issues with the slightly compact grip on the G19.

The article says the Glock 19 has a 17 round mag - wrong, it's 15 rounds.

Originally Posted By: MacDaddy21
Not to mention 7+1 in the Colt vs 19+1 in the glock...I'd much rather get to shoot 20 times instead of 8 before having to reload.


Glock does not make a gun that fits 19+1 rounds from the factory.


Edited by clandr1 (02/20/15 01:34 PM)

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#5610164 - 02/20/15 01:36 PM Re: Marines Allow Operators to Choose Glocks over MARSOC .45s [Re: clandr1]
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The article says the Glock 19 has a 17 round mag - wrong, it's 15 rounds.



I caught that too. That's is why I put 17/19 in my first post, because I wasn't sure which they were talking about. Seems like for a combat gun they'd go with the full size over the compact for better accuracy. Then they commented about the 17 round mag I figured maybe they didn't know what they were talking about.
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#5610167 - 02/20/15 01:38 PM Re: Marines Allow Operators to Choose Glocks over MARSOC .45s [Re: KRoyal]
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I'm not a Glock guy at all. As a civilian, I much prefer most any other polymer pistol. But if I was in battle, that's probably what I'd want to have.

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#5610273 - 02/20/15 02:38 PM Re: Marines Allow Operators to Choose Glocks over MARSOC .45s [Re: KRoyal]
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Originally Posted By: KRoyal
Originally Posted By: blackcoal
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roflmao


LOL

You know me and my Glocks..


I bet you lit up like a Christmas tree when you read this article. Lol. Boy loves him some Glocks!
Hey I'm a fan too. Just love 1911's too for what they are. But a $1750 over $550 gun that just won't quit, it's a pretty easy argument. Or I'll go to $600 on a bad day.
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#5610276 - 02/20/15 02:41 PM Re: Marines Allow Operators to Choose Glocks over MARSOC .45s [Re: Bullfrog]
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Originally Posted By: KRoyal
Originally Posted By: blackcoal
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roflmao


LOL

You know me and my Glocks..


I bet you lit up like a Christmas tree when you read this article. Lol. Boy loves him some Glocks!
Hey I'm a fan too. Just love 1911's too for what they are. But a $1750 over $550 gun that just won't quit, it's a pretty easy argument. Or I'll go to $600 on a bad day.


Haha yea it made my day reading that article. I've said it before in other 1911 threads, I love the way they look and I like the thought of carrying cocked and locked I did it when I first got my CHL, but I just can't get a danged 1911 to run for me. They're too picky on ammo for my taste.
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#5610289 - 02/20/15 02:52 PM Re: Marines Allow Operators to Choose Glocks over MARSOC .45s [Re: KRoyal]
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Originally Posted By: KRoyal
Originally Posted By: Bullfrog
Originally Posted By: KRoyal
Originally Posted By: blackcoal
violin

roflmao


LOL

You know me and my Glocks..


I bet you lit up like a Christmas tree when you read this article. Lol. Boy loves him some Glocks!
Hey I'm a fan too. Just love 1911's too for what they are. But a $1750 over $550 gun that just won't quit, it's a pretty easy argument. Or I'll go to $600 on a bad day.


Haha yea it made my day reading that article. I've said it before in other 1911 threads, I love the way they look and I like the thought of carrying cocked and locked I did it when I first got my CHL, but I just can't get a danged 1911 to run for me. They're too picky on ammo for my taste.


weird i always hear this and ive never had 1 issue with one feeding hollowpoints
I just wouldnt carry one because they tend to be on the heavy side.

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#5610299 - 02/20/15 02:59 PM Re: Marines Allow Operators to Choose Glocks over MARSOC .45s [Re: KRoyal]
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Originally Posted By: KRoyal
Originally Posted By: clandr1


The article says the Glock 19 has a 17 round mag - wrong, it's 15 rounds.



I caught that too. That's is why I put 17/19 in my first post, because I wasn't sure which they were talking about. Seems like for a combat gun they'd go with the full size over the compact for better accuracy. Then they commented about the 17 round mag I figured maybe they didn't know what they were talking about.


I don't know why they would approve a 19, but not a 17, but we ARE talking about the government here, so who knows bang

Either way, glad they are giving the guys choices. As long as it's NATO ammo, they should be able to run whatever sidearm they want, in my opinion. Maybe have a requirement that they carry spare parts on deployment, or something like that. I can't imagine too many times when I'd run a handgun if I had a rifle at my disposal anyhow...


Edited by clandr1 (02/20/15 02:59 PM)

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