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#5602953 - 02/16/15 06:04 PM X-sight?
emory73m Offline
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Registered: 08/24/14
Posts: 69
Loc: Blooming Grove
I've been playing with the idea of getting the x-sight. I've been reading about it and I've seen a lot of mixed reviews. What do y'all think? If I did get one it would be going on a 6.8 AR

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#5603106 - 02/16/15 07:06 PM Re: X-sight? [Re: emory73m]
HuntTXhogs Offline
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Loc: North Ft Worth
What kind of hunting do you do? Distances stalking of from blinds?

Do you mind spending 20 bucks on batteries each time you go out?

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#5603407 - 02/16/15 08:42 PM Re: X-sight? [Re: emory73m]
emory73m Offline
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Registered: 08/24/14
Posts: 69
Loc: Blooming Grove
Mainly from box stands between 50 and 150 yards. And if it's worth it, I could live with the battery cost

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#5603659 - 02/16/15 10:48 PM Re: X-sight? [Re: emory73m]
HuntTXhogs Offline
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Wait another 2 weeks to see what the next firmware changes do. Its a safe bet since you have money in your pocket at the moment as opposed to getting in a mixed bag with current issues.

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#5603783 - 02/17/15 05:34 AM Re: X-sight? [Re: emory73m]
Pigsicles Offline
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Registered: 09/18/07
Posts: 46
Unless you want to join us "early adopters" that are funding the R&D that ATN should have done BEFORE they started shipping and have continued shipping products that do not meet the basic functions of a sight ( holding zero thru all zoom levels) I'd wait or look elsewhere.
Rumors and cryptic messages hint that we just have to wait for one more update though, so caveat emptor.

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#5603985 - 02/17/15 08:21 AM Re: X-sight? [Re: emory73m]
VAFish Offline
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Registered: 02/09/15
Posts: 99
Loc: Fairfax, VA
I read all the reviews and the .200 firmware thread before I decided to buy an X-Sight.

I have a pig hunting trip coming up next month and wanted some sort of night vision.

I have 2 adult sons coming with me the first one purchased a Gen 1 monocular and an IR laser sight to use. After trying them out I decided to give the X-sight a try. I used my Cabelas points to order a 5x-18x model. After downloading the .228 firmware and trying it out at the range, then playing with it at night I'm quite happy with it.

My 2nd son, after playing with his brothers Gen 1 and my X-Sight, and seeing that the 3X was available at Cabelas ordered one.

I like my 2nd sons 3x a little better than my 5x, I think. We'll see how they perform next month. If we can remember to hit the video button when the pigs come in, I'll post videos.

Is the X-Sight perfect? Do all the features work flawlessly? The answer to both of those questions is No. But other here on the site have shown that the X-Sight does work and does kill pigs at night.

So you have to ask yourself, how important are those features that are not working right? What other night vision in the same price range are you considering? Can you afford more $$$ to buy better night vision?


Edited by VAFish (02/17/15 08:24 AM)
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#5604147 - 02/17/15 10:00 AM Re: X-sight? [Re: emory73m]
Tapper Offline
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Registered: 01/24/15
Posts: 29
Loc: Richardson, Texas
I'd be leary of the assumption that the next several firmwares will fix all bugs and enable all features. There will be more, some painful and some not. Having reasonable expectations makes the scope a lot more enjoyable. I'm thinking the next release will fix some things, maybe break others, and possibly introduce a couple of new features. I think over the next year we'll see this happen regularly until all the features are done and the bugs mostly gone.

As long as you understand the caveats, the scope is usable now, and likely to get better fairly fast, but I doubt we will see our first solid and complete firmware for at least six months. Code just doesn't get written and debugged that fast.
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#5604253 - 02/17/15 10:59 AM Re: X-sight? [Re: Tapper]
cyberpyrot Offline
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Loc: Houston, TX
Originally Posted By: Tapper
I'd be leary of the assumption that the next several firmwares will fix all bugs and enable all features. There will be more, some painful and some not. Having reasonable expectations makes the scope a lot more enjoyable. I'm thinking the next release will fix some things, maybe break others, and possibly introduce a couple of new features. I think over the next year we'll see this happen regularly until all the features are done and the bugs mostly gone.

As long as you understand the caveats, the scope is usable now, and likely to get better fairly fast, but I doubt we will see our first solid and complete firmware for at least six months. Code just doesn't get written and debugged that fast.


Also they have to make sure it does not become self aware!
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#5604291 - 02/17/15 11:22 AM Re: X-sight? [Re: emory73m]
emory73m Offline
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Registered: 08/24/14
Posts: 69
Loc: Blooming Grove
What features are not working right now? I've seen some videos that it looks very functional and I've read some really negative reviews that say it won't hold a zero for more than a few shots

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#5606378 - 02/18/15 12:07 PM Re: X-sight? [Re: emory73m]
theeyeguy Offline
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Registered: 05/31/11
Posts: 23
As a dealer, here's my thoughts on the X Sight... I've gotten to play with it a significant amount and will continue to.

First off, my primary focus with night vision is traditional optical NV. The digital scopes can't touch even Gen 2+ on image quality so I am still a very big fan of regular NV. I sell Gen 2+ scopes from Night Optics, one of the top companies, for the same price that Pulsar Digisights go for. So, you can compare them in some regards. I carry Pulsar because it does have a few advantages but I sell 5 gen 2+ sights for every digisight I sell.

That being said, ATN brought a game changer here simply due to price point and all around use. Pulsar's scopes still blow during the day, even though they are usable. ATN's X Sight actually is very good during the day and very functional at night. Combine that with a durable aluminum housing rather than the plastic used by pulsar and a pricepoint of $700 or less, and the X Sight is a really cool unit. I have one for myself and have ordered several. They all disappear within a few days. I just got two in this week, one is already sold and I'm sure I'll have someone call me on the other shortly. Two more coming in next week.

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#5607441 - 02/18/15 08:38 PM Re: X-sight? [Re: theeyeguy]
shoots100 Offline
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Registered: 01/27/15
Posts: 131
Loc: Flatlands of NY
Originally Posted By: theeyeguy
As a dealer, here's my thoughts on the X Sight... I've gotten to play with it a significant amount and will continue to.

First off, my primary focus with night vision is traditional optical NV. The digital scopes can't touch even Gen 2+ on image quality so I am still a very big fan of regular NV. I sell Gen 2+ scopes from Night Optics, one of the top companies, for the same price that Pulsar Digisights go for. So, you can compare them in some regards. I carry Pulsar because it does have a few advantages but I sell 5 gen 2+ sights for every digisight I sell.

That being said, ATN brought a game changer here simply due to price point and all around use. Pulsar's scopes still blow during the day, even though they are usable. ATN's X Sight actually is very good during the day and very functional at night. Combine that with a durable aluminum housing rather than the plastic used by pulsar and a pricepoint of $700 or less, and the X Sight is a really cool unit. I have one for myself and have ordered several. They all disappear within a few days. I just got two in this week, one is already sold and I'm sure I'll have someone call me on the other shortly. Two more coming in next week.

Have you received and tested the updated 3X scope ?
I like my 5x scope and am in the process of saving my pennies for a 3x scope.
I gave up on regular NV after trying digital and thermal years ago.
Digital does have some drawbacks, but it will slowly take over regular NV as the technology advances.
The X sight is a good example, once they get the bugs ironed out.
For under $800, you get a 5x18 Color Day/ 2 color Night scope that records and if you add a better illuminator, it's a very capable NV scope.
If you bought a Gladius 760 6X gen 2 scope, decent Illuminator and a DVR, your going to spend about $2,500 and would feasibly only be able to use it an night.

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#5608386 - 02/19/15 12:57 PM Re: X-sight? [Re: emory73m]
theeyeguy Offline
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Registered: 05/31/11
Posts: 23
I've got 2 of the 3x scopes in stock and I'm decently happy with them. Follow the thread on here about firmwares and such.

I agree that digital will probably overtake traditional night vision eventually, but I think we are still years from that. Last night, we had a field test where we took an ATN X-Sight, Pulsar N750, Night Optics Gen 2+HP Spartan, and for grins my setup using an EOTech EXPS 3-2 combined with a Night Optics PVS-14 Gen 3+ and magnifier lens for it. This was on a new moon, so worst conditions possible. The Gen 3+ was the clear cut winner of the night while the Spartan scope was very close behind. The difference between both of those and the third place N750 was huge and the ATN came in last but decently close to the N750. Personally, I have to look at price as well. I'm a dealer so I have the absolute best for my own personal equipment. Well, 2nd best as I am probably going to sell my PVS 14 as a demo unit and buy a new Gen 4 (filmless L3 tube) for myself. So, for the price, my opinion is the Gen 2+HP has by far the best performance for the price.

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#5608876 - 02/19/15 05:57 PM Re: X-sight? [Re: emory73m]
shoots100 Offline
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Registered: 01/27/15
Posts: 131
Loc: Flatlands of NY
I've heard that some of the newer 3x scopes still have a focusing issues.
Regular NV will be around forever, as they are used by Military and LE around the globe.
I personally prefer Thermal, but I only have so many organs to sell.
I went through the Pulsar line and still use a DFA75.
I've read and heard that the Armasight Drone Pro 10x is the top digital scope and well liked by UK hunters.
They compare it to Gen 2+ NV.
I'm hoping the X sight will improve with the next firmware update.

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#5609324 - 02/19/15 11:22 PM Re: X-sight? [Re: emory73m]
Double Naught Spy Offline
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That being said, ATN brought a game changer here simply due to price point and all around use. Pulsar's scopes still blow during the day, even though they are usable. ATN's X Sight actually is very good during the day and very functional at night. Combine that with a durable aluminum housing rather than the plastic used by pulsar and a pricepoint of $700 or less, and the X Sight is a really cool unit. I have one for myself and have ordered several. They all disappear within a few days. I just got two in this week, one is already sold and I'm sure I'll have someone call me on the other shortly. Two more coming in next week.


Yeah, they sell like hotcakes, but not a single one works as promised. With numerous threads on this forum and then threads from several other forums, it would appear that there are a lot of people who are out a goodly amount of money on batteries and ammunition in trying to get their scopes to work as promised, only to discover that they don't do what is claimed, or that some twit at ATN decided to make detrimental arbitrary firmware changes.

I am not a dealer. I would say that it would be silly to pay for a scope now when you KNOW it doesn't work as designed and promised. Maybe it will someday, but it doesn't right now. It isn't like ATN is going to run out of scopes. They will keep making plenty. There is no reason to rush out and buy one now.
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#5609542 - 02/20/15 07:49 AM Re: X-sight? [Re: Double Naught Spy]
VAFish Offline
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Registered: 02/09/15
Posts: 99
Loc: Fairfax, VA
Originally Posted By: Double Naught Spy
Quote:
That being said, ATN brought a game changer here simply due to price point and all around use. Pulsar's scopes still blow during the day, even though they are usable. ATN's X Sight actually is very good during the day and very functional at night. Combine that with a durable aluminum housing rather than the plastic used by pulsar and a pricepoint of $700 or less, and the X Sight is a really cool unit. I have one for myself and have ordered several. They all disappear within a few days. I just got two in this week, one is already sold and I'm sure I'll have someone call me on the other shortly. Two more coming in next week.


Yeah, they sell like hotcakes, but not a single one works as promised. With numerous threads on this forum and then threads from several other forums, it would appear that there are a lot of people who are out a goodly amount of money on batteries and ammunition in trying to get their scopes to work as promised, only to discover that they don't do what is claimed, or that some twit at ATN decided to make detrimental arbitrary firmware changes.

I am not a dealer. I would say that it would be silly to pay for a scope now when you KNOW it doesn't work as designed and promised. Maybe it will someday, but it doesn't right now. It isn't like ATN is going to run out of scopes. They will keep making plenty. There is no reason to rush out and buy one now.



I disagree with the comment about not a single one works. There are quite a few people that are using their scopes without issues. I'm one of them. I have .228 firmware and I can zoom in and out and my shots stay in the same 1 1/2" group. Day and night vision work well for the price.

I was happy enough with my 5x to by a 3x for my son. Haven't got to the range yet with his. Was supposed to today, but got called into work.
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