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When does a caliber become a magnum?
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02/16/15 06:54 PM
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Is it velocity, ft-lbs or something as simple as just adding a belt? Oop's some magnums don't have a belt.
Last edited by HWY_MAN; 02/16/15 06:55 PM.
Yes! A Weatherby does kill them deader.
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Re: When does a caliber become a magnum?
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02/16/15 07:28 PM
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I'd say anything that has more than 50gr powder capacity.
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Re: When does a caliber become a magnum?
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02/16/15 07:36 PM
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I'd say anything that has more than 50gr powder capacity. .30-06? I'd call the differentiation more art than science. "Magnum" basically means "we took a chambering that exists and took it to 11" or "we're Holland and Holland and we like that term"
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Re: When does a caliber become a magnum?
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02/16/15 07:52 PM
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The only real definition I know is when Champagne comes in 1.5 liter bottles.
A 17 HMR doesn't have 50 grains of powder.
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Re: When does a caliber become a magnum?
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02/16/15 08:15 PM
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Long actions with a bolt face .Dia of .540 +/-
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Long actions with a bolt face .Dia of .585 +/-
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Re: When does a caliber become a magnum?
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02/16/15 08:16 PM
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any chambering with at least .532 bolt face..... is a good start. The .284 and has standard BF"... but its a baby magnum
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Re: When does a caliber become a magnum?
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02/16/15 08:20 PM
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Re: When does a caliber become a magnum?
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02/16/15 08:52 PM
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There are no rules whatsoever to naming cartridges. Half the time, they don't even name it by the right bore diameter.
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Re: When does a caliber become a magnum?
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02/16/15 08:56 PM
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I'd say anything that has more than 50gr powder capacity. Guess my 270 win just became a magnum.
It's hell eatin em live
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Re: When does a caliber become a magnum?
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02/16/15 09:00 PM
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Re: When does a caliber become a magnum?
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Strictly in the name and nothing else. Example is .222 Magnum, short lived commercial round and was made extinct by the .223 Rem.
The Greatest Enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.--Stephen Hawking
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Re: When does a caliber become a magnum?
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It becomes a magnum when the marketing guy advertising the new product adds it to the name.
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Re: When does a caliber become a magnum?
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02/16/15 11:31 PM
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Story goes when they came out with the .450 Marlin they originally were going to name it the .450 short magnum. However, Marketing decided it would stop buyers because they would associate it with African game calibers and super heavy recoil.
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Re: When does a caliber become a magnum?
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02/16/15 11:40 PM
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Magnum is just a name, some of the most powerful cartridges do not have Magnum in the name while some weak ones by comparison have Magnum. Look at the quarter bore 256 Winchester Magnum and 257 WBY magnum, both are named MAGNUM but one most here would not consider enough for hill country deer.
lf the saying "Liar, Liar your pants on fire" were true Mainstream news might be fun to watch
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Re: When does a caliber become a magnum?
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02/17/15 12:17 AM
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.22 wmr. Not very big compared to most magnums. Should have just called it the .22 extra long rifle!
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Re: When does a caliber become a magnum?
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02/17/15 01:03 AM
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When the marketing department decides that appending the terms "Jeroboam", "Marie Jeanne", "Tappit Hen" or "Tregnum" is silly. Would you really shoot a .277 Weatherby Tappit Hen?
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Re: When does a caliber become a magnum?
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02/17/15 03:32 AM
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When the marketing department decides that appending the terms "Jeroboam", "Marie Jeanne", "Tappit Hen" or "Tregnum" is silly. Would you really shoot a .277 Weatherby Tappit Hen? So it's a different marketing than used for Android OS names? Alpha (1.0) Beta (1.1) Cupcake (1.5) Donut (1.6) Eclair (2.0–2.1) Froyo (2.2–2.2.3) Gingerbread (2.3–2.3.7) Honeycomb (3.0–3.2.6) Ice Cream Sandwich (4.0–4.0.4) Jelly Bean (4.1–4.3.1) KitKat (4.4–4.4.4, 4.4W.1–4.4W.2) Lollipop (5.0–5.0.2)
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Re: When does a caliber become a magnum?
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02/17/15 05:02 AM
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I got a couple friends that brag about hunting with magnums or ultra mags...neither one of them can hit anything cause they are probably flinching when the shoot...but they can say they are hunting with magnums....ego trips I guess.
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Re: When does a caliber become a magnum?
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02/17/15 06:27 AM
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I got a couple friends that brag about hunting with magnums or ultra mags...neither one of them can hit anything cause they are probably flinching when the shoot...but they can say they are hunting with magnums....ego trips I guess. How tall are those friends?
lf the saying "Liar, Liar your pants on fire" were true Mainstream news might be fun to watch
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Re: When does a caliber become a magnum?
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02/17/15 06:29 AM
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how tall? in their minds or in reality? they are grown fair sized men.
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Re: When does a caliber become a magnum?
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So it's a different marketing than used for Android OS names?
Alpha (1.0) Beta (1.1) Cupcake (1.5) Donut (1.6) Eclair (2.0–2.1) Froyo (2.2–2.2.3) Gingerbread (2.3–2.3.7) Honeycomb (3.0–3.2.6) Ice Cream Sandwich (4.0–4.0.4) Jelly Bean (4.1–4.3.1) KitKat (4.4–4.4.4, 4.4W.1–4.4W.2) Lollipop (5.0–5.0.2)
I, myself, am greatly looking forward to Android MooseNose Damien ( 6.0 - 6.6.6). I hear it's a devil of an operating system.
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