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The price we pay
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02/14/15 03:00 PM
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So I got on another deer lease, and as always i'm stoked. I keep thinking in terms of budgets for hunting and what everyone can and/or is willingly to pay to hunt. My max out of pocket was $2,500.00 per yr. and that is top dollar for me anyway.
I love to hunt it will go with me to my grave and I love to talk hunting with like minded people. Have landowners, guides etc gotten greedy on pricing? or is it just a rich man's game now? Before you bash me with "aren't you the one who just listed a lease for 140 Gs?!" I am and with that stated everyone that knows me knows that isn't my property. That is the landowners wishes and I am just trying to help him out.
Would I pay that if I had that kind of money? I can't say because I have never been there. Another words I'm not sure what I would pay to get on a lease because I know my limitations now. I'm not bashing ANYONE who can afford those high dollar leases, more power to you.
I do think some leasing and outfitting has gone beyond a reasonable price and means and has kicked some of us in the face.
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Re: The price we pay
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02/14/15 03:09 PM
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I think some of the problem with higher priced leases and hunts is that individuals aren't paying for them. They're paid for by companies, which typically have a little more purchasing power than your average person.
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Re: The price we pay
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02/14/15 03:10 PM
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I think some of the problem with higher priced leases and hunts is that individuals aren't paying for them. They're paid for by companies, which typically have a little more purchasing power than your average person. spot on, I agree. Nice for them sucks for us
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Re: The price we pay
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02/14/15 03:13 PM
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I think there will always be more hunters looking for a good place to hunt than good places to hunt that are available. To many large ranches are split into smaller places that are being bought. Those places are not being leased out anymore. The supply of places that are leasing is shrinking every year.
Are idiots multiplying faster than normal people?
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Re: The price we pay
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02/14/15 03:45 PM
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I bet we see a price cut on package hunts this year. Oilfield companies were buying a lot of those hunts, and they're all cutting back on how much, if any, they're going to buy this year. Probably see some pretty good deals in the next few months
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Re: The price we pay
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I bet we see a price cut on package hunts this year. Oilfield companies were buying a lot of those hunts, and they're all cutting back on how much, if any, they're going to buy this year. Probably see some pretty good deals in the next few months You know I always use to think that. In the last several yrs with the economy bad, prices still remained steep. Deals I am good with. I would love to find something to fill the freezer with (exotic).
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Re: The price we pay
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02/14/15 03:49 PM
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I bet we see a price cut on package hunts this year. Oilfield companies were buying a lot of those hunts, and they're all cutting back on how much, if any, they're going to buy this year. Probably see some pretty good deals in the next few months Who was paying for all those package hunts before the O&G boom?
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Re: The price we pay
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02/14/15 03:51 PM
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I bet we see a price cut on package hunts this year. Oilfield companies were buying a lot of those hunts, and they're all cutting back on how much, if any, they're going to buy this year. Probably see some pretty good deals in the next few months Who was paying for all those package hunts before the O&G boom? exactly, I didn't see a significant price cut on package hunts or lease even when the boom was down.
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Re: The price we pay
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02/14/15 04:13 PM
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in the 50's when I was a kid I remember being at my dads lease and all of the adults complaining about the cost for a year round lease - $250 per man. It is all relative
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Re: The price we pay
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I bet we see a price cut on package hunts this year. Oilfield companies were buying a lot of those hunts, and they're all cutting back on how much, if any, they're going to buy this year. Probably see some pretty good deals in the next few months Who was paying for all those package hunts before the O&G boom? there's been an O&G boom since 1999. with the exception of the slowdown in 2008, it's been pretty dang busy. You don't think prices have come up dramatically for package/guided hunts since then? The deer breeding game has certainly increased in the last 15 years as well. The company I was working for bought 2 million dollars worth of hunts on average for the past 5 years. I don't think they're buying any for this year. That's just one company. Maybe I'm looking at it on too small a scale.
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Re: The price we pay
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02/14/15 04:58 PM
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I bet we see a price cut on package hunts this year. Oilfield companies were buying a lot of those hunts, and they're all cutting back on how much, if any, they're going to buy this year. Probably see some pretty good deals in the next few months Who was paying for all those package hunts before the O&G boom? there's been an O&G boom since 1999. with the exception of the slowdown in 2008, it's been pretty dang busy. You don't think prices have come up dramatically for package/guided hunts since then? The deer breeding game has certainly increased in the last 15 years as well. The company I was working for bought 2 million dollars worth of hunts on average for the past 5 years. I don't think they're buying any for this year. That's just one company. Maybe I'm looking at it on too small a scale. Packages hunts were sold well before 1999. The quality of deer to hunt drove up prices also. What has not gone up in price since the 70's, 80's, 90's...? Hunting leases were high in the early 80's then the bust on oil and price have steadily risen every since. Those large ranches are now divided into smaller ranches and I (as well as you) can name many large ranches that were leased that are no longer in the lease pool. Less land to lease by hunters or outfitters. More smaller landowners now hunting their own land.
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Re: The price we pay
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02/14/15 05:17 PM
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yep, I agree with all that. but I still think there's a big chunk of the purchasing power that's going to be reduced this year. It might not be long term enough to make any real difference, as deer don't really "expire", they just get to roll out another year and get bigger.
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Re: The price we pay
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02/14/15 05:45 PM
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You have a lease posted for $200,000 on this forum.
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Re: The price we pay
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02/14/15 07:48 PM
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You have a lease posted for $200,000 on this forum. and obviously you can't read very well
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Re: The price we pay
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02/14/15 07:57 PM
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I think many are over priced usually when a middle man is involved. If you can lease without the broker/middle man you can still get a good value if you work to find it. Some landowners, that are new to the game, get bad advice and overprice their land for lease.
As a landowner, if you want all that money then it's gonna come from a corporate lease. Now you have high rollers coming to hunt that can't shoot straight and drink too much. That's why if I was the landowner I'd rather take less money and have good hunters/stewards that I know and approve of hunting my land.
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Re: The price we pay
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02/14/15 08:01 PM
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Re: The price we pay
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02/14/15 08:47 PM
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No such thing as over priced or under priced.
There is no government regulating of hunting lease pricing
It boils down to what a person thinks is a good value.
If its a good value, a person will pay it, if its not he won't.
Value is different for everyone. For some it's being able to bring wife/kids/etc and shoot a bunch others it's trophy quality and for others it's a price point
But as far as being "greedy" etc a landowner is under no obligation to lease his land so whatever he can get is what he gets if he chooses to do so.
Greedy is a very poor term for it
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Re: The price we pay
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02/14/15 09:06 PM
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I think by and large, it is becoming and has already become to a certain extent a rich man's activity. There are the obvious exceptions like those whose family or friends own land, etc. It's not necessarily anyone's fault, but just the natural evolution as a result of higher taxes, higher land values, liability costs, increase in population, and overall fewer leases and/or less land being offered.
Probably half of the avid hunters I've known and hunted with over the last few decades have either completely or almost completely given it up. Of course their kids will not be raised to hunt either. I think in another couple generations, it will only be reserved for a privileged few and will be more of a true luxury and/or oddity than a treasured and widely held pastime....similar to Europe.
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Re: The price we pay
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02/14/15 09:16 PM
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No such thing as over priced or under priced.
There is no government regulating of hunting lease pricing
It boils down to what a person thinks is a good value.
If its a good value, a person will pay it, if its not he won't.
Value is different for everyone. For some it's being able to bring wife/kids/etc and shoot a bunch others it's trophy quality and for others it's a price point
But as far as being "greedy" etc a landowner is under no obligation to lease his land so whatever he can get is what he gets if he chooses to do so.
Greedy is a very poor term for it I take advantage of it myself, but let's not fool ourselves thinking that if a company couldn't write off a deer lease on taxes, they'd be buying people out of them... you're right, in that the value is what someone will pay for it, but as an individual my ability to rationalize $150,000 for a lease is different than my company standpoint, and being able to write most of the expenses off.
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Re: The price we pay
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02/14/15 09:22 PM
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Again. A bunch of whiners with their "it's a rich mans game". What a steamin crock of Anyone can hunt for little to no money if they want to. I don't KNOW any landowners that don't let people hunt for sweat equity for does and cull deer. Anyone who wants to hunt trophies.... You want to do that for low prices or free???? Really??? That says a lot.
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Re: The price we pay
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02/14/15 10:11 PM
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Again. A bunch of whiners with their "it's a rich mans game". What a steamin crock of Anyone can hunt for little to no money if they want to. I don't KNOW any landowners that don't let people hunt for sweat equity for does and cull deer. Anyone who wants to hunt trophies.... You want to do that for low prices or free???? Really??? That says a lot. You're right rancher.....it's exactly the same as it was 30 years ago, access, cost, everything.
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Re: The price we pay
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Again. A bunch of whiners with their "it's a rich mans game". What a steamin crock of Anyone can hunt for little to no money if they want to. I don't KNOW any landowners that don't let people hunt for sweat equity for does and cull deer. Anyone who wants to hunt trophies.... You want to do that for low prices or free???? Really??? That says a lot. You're right rancher.....it's exactly the same as it was 30 years ago, access, cost, everything. No it's actually better for the guy that wants to fill his freezer. Higher deer populations due to better management and MLD means landowners can't kill all their deer. Most don't have enough paying hunters so they let friends who are willing to do some ranch work hunt for free. Yeah, you could hunt for free in east Texas 30 years ago.... And how many deer would you see??? Typically folks like you want to hunt trophies for 70's prices. Very few people could even hunt trophies back then (there weren't that many trophies), and prices were "high" for them. But don't let the facts get in the way of a good pity party.
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Re: The price we pay
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Again. A bunch of whiners with their "it's a rich mans game". What a steamin crock of Anyone can hunt for little to no money if they want to. I don't KNOW any landowners that don't let people hunt for sweat equity for does and cull deer. Anyone who wants to hunt trophies.... You want to do that for low prices or free???? Really??? That says a lot. You're right rancher.....it's exactly the same as it was 30 years ago, access, cost, everything. 30 years ago a new truck was $5k, gas was $.80/gallon and min wage was $2.50/hr Rancher is right....these threads get old
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Re: The price we pay
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Re: The price we pay
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Typically folks like you want to hunt trophies for 70's prices. Very few people could even hunt trophies back then (there weren't that many trophies), and prices were "high" for them. But don't let the facts get in the way of a good pity party. First of all, you don't know me or anything about me. So saying what "folks like me" think or want or do means absolutely nothing coming from you. But I'm sure you're used to that.....even though you are blind to it. I merely stated facts concerning the topic posed by the OP and you started your usual name-calling. And no worries....I don't want to kill anything you have for '70s prices. Matter of fact, I wouldn't kill your livestock if YOU paid ME. Notice I said kill, and not hunt.
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