So let's say that the proposed ban goes through, who is to say that later this year they don't expand the ban to all ammo that can be fired from a pistol that could pierce armor?

Well, that was fast;
ALL the 223 at Natchezss that was under 50c a round: GONE!

even the non-green tip!

the hoarding has begun (again...)

It's just a little out of control. When did parts of the government other than congress start making all of these laws and restrictions?

Just bought some xm193, 2k rnds for $799 damn impulses.. It is going fast fellas, took me 2 hrs to find any that was still reasonable in stock. xm855 was scarce or sky high already

Have a Colt I have never pulled the trigger on

The ruling won't impact my shooting because I don't need anymore green tip than I already have. I want to poke a big hole in something hard, I have other guns that will do that better. BUT, I AM dead against this kind of dictatorial action.

With this new definition of Armor Piercing ("able to penetrate police issued soft body armor") they open the door for .30-30, .308, .270, .243, etc., etc. - because there are "handgun" configurations for all of those and more.

If they get away with this new 'ruling' / re-definition, it will open the pathway to 'redefine' any thing they want,
and when they are 'done',
you won't even be able to have a pop-tart shaped like a gun.

My understanding is any of the 223 ammo that can go through a bullet proof vest is considered armor piercing, which to my understanding is all 223 and 556 ammo.

From what I read this morning, also was on a news program last night, both 223 and 556 since they can be used in a handgun now...Obviously a "land grab" against the "black rifle". Is there not rifles chambered in in 45,44 and handguns chambered in nearly every configuration? Wont stop with these 2 rnds either..under this premise.

This may have been the article (read quite a few)
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/02/...posed-ammo-ban/

That's not what I have been hearing for nearly 2 weeks. Its my understanding that they are just looking at the 5.56 M855/ss109 ammo. They typically have a green tip (though not always) and a steel tip insert. At this time it does not look like any other 223/5.56 ammo is going to be affected.

For now.

Exactly. Neither M855 nor ss109 are technically armor piercing rounds according to the government. So, if these rounds get banned due to their potential to pierce body armor, well that opens up pandora's box. At that point, based on that ban, ANY ammo that could pierce body armor could easily be banned. So every high caliber pistol round along with every rifle round over a .22 could be banned.

To add to that, the government only recognizes "sporting purposes" to be skeet shooting and pistol competitions which helps to open the door to other bans.



I posted this on this board on December 11th of 2012;

As we all know...this is the beginning.....get this passed and then whittle away.

You have to ask, "What problem is this ban trying to fix?" There is no problem so obviously this is just a political move by the Obama Administration.

Exactly and it's about the composition of the bullet, not the armor piercing or handgun use. They will get these through that language, then get lead bullets (that aren't banned under this provision) under the EPA.

Barnes is screwed

The Barnes TSX issue came up several years ago in regards to the larger caliber solids. Don't remember how that all worked its self out but the fact that it was a mono metal bullet of a certain size became a issue.

If they can get away with this now, the semantics they are using sets the precedent for them to go as far as they want to in the future. That's why it's happening this way now.

Panic of 2015 has begun I suppose. I'm stocked up on 55 grain bulk as well as others, but was checking on some 75gr BTHP which was sold out on SGAmmo website. Almost every kind of 223 was sold out. BATFE worries me, but EPA even more so with regard to lead ammo. Look what they're trying to do on water control via "Waters of the USA". It's all about control with the alphabet agencies....healthcare, guns, ammo, water, you name it.

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/204096-farm-bureau-pledges-to-fight-epas-water-rule

Just got back from Academy in Mesquite. All the 5.56 on the shelf was wiped out! All that was left was high end 223. Not even any cheap 223.

Had to laugh because I over heard two guys talking and heard the younger guy say "I have never wanted any until now and the only reason I want it now is because they don't want me to have it". Started to offer him some for a buck a round.

He'd buy it, too.

went to cabelas picked up 100 rounds 556 not jacked up prices, was all they had out. did pick up some 45 9mm and 308 because the son wants to go shooting for his birthday. wife also stumbled onto a coach gun at a good price so we picked it up and some 45 projectiles in the bargain cave and called it a day

I'm noticing this on most online websites;
Store shelves are slowly emptying too.

Get ready for $1 a round again . . .

Buy enough when it's .35-.45 cents a round and you won't contribute to the buck a round madness.


There'll be plenty out there defending the higher priced purchasing, though. Hey, there's an inflated market that must be supported out there!

Same thing happened Jan 2013. Give it a few months, prices will come back down.

I was in a local Wal-Mart Sunday and they had a bunch of ss109 $9.98/30 rd box. I almost bought a few hundred rounds but then I said to myself "Self, you have a ammo can full of SS109 that has been sitting for about three years. Can't shoot deer with it, don't really want to shoot pigs or coyotes with it. Why not leave it for the next guy."

So I did. I would think most people have a pretty good stash of what they need these days given the amount of "scares" the last few years. Feels good to not buy into the panic.

Bingola.

Feels pretty dang good to just sit back and watch the panic unfold instead of participating. Sux that it has to happen in the first place, though.