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#5599120 - 02/14/15 08:56 AM Ban on 223 ammo?
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https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150213/batfe-to-ban-common-ar-15-ammo

In a move clearly intended by the Obama Administration to suppress the acquisition, ownership and use of AR-15s and other .223 caliber general purpose rifles, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives unexpectedly announced today that it intends to ban commonplace M855 ball ammunition as “armor piercing ammunition.” The decision continues Obama’s use of his executive authority to impose gun control restrictions and bypass Congress.

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It isn’t even the third week of February, and the BATFE has already taken three major executive actions on gun control. First, it was a major change to what activities constitute regulated “manufacturing” of firearms. Next, BATFE reversed a less than year old position on firing a shouldered “pistol.” Now, BATFE has released a “Framework for Determining Whether Certain Projectiles are ‘Primarily Intended for Sporting Purposes’ Within the Meaning of 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17)(c)”, which would eliminate M855’s exemption to the armor piercing ammunition prohibition and make future exemptions nearly impossible.

By way of background, federal law imposed in 1986 prohibits the manufacture, importation, and sale by licensed manufacturers or importers, but not possession, of “a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely . . . from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium.” Because there are handguns capable of firing M855, it “may be used in a handgun.” It does not, however, have a core made of the metals listed in the law; rather, it has a traditional lead core with a steel tip, and therefore should never have been considered “armor piercing.” Nonetheless, BATFE previously declared M855 to be “armor piercing ammunition,” but granted it an exemption as a projectile “primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes.”

Now, however, BATFE says that it will henceforth grant the “sporting purposes” exception to only two categories of projectiles:

Category I: .22 Caliber Projectiles

A .22 caliber projectile that otherwise would be classified as armor piercing ammunition under 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17)(B) will be considered to be “primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes” under section 921(a)(17)(C) if the projectile weighs 40 grains or less AND is loaded into a rimfire cartridge.

Category II: All Other Caliber Projectiles

Except as provided in Category I (.22 caliber rimfire), projectiles that otherwise would be classified as armor piercing ammunition will be presumed to be “primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes” under section 921(a)(17)(C) if the projectile is loaded into a cartridge for which the only handgun that is readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade is a single shot handgun. ATF nevertheless retains the discretion to deny any application for a “sporting purposes” exemption if substantial evidence exists that the ammunition is not primarily intended for such purposes.

BATFE is accepting comments until March 16, 2015 on this indefensible attempt to disrupt ammunition for the most popular rifle in America. Check back early next week for a more in-depth analysis of this “framework” and details on how you can submit comments.
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#5599262 - 02/14/15 10:15 AM Re: Ban on 223 ammo? [Re: Novemberyet]
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#5599311 - 02/14/15 10:58 AM Re: Ban on 223 ammo? [Re: jeh7mmmag]
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Originally Posted By: jeh7mmmag


Armor piercing is a funny term. You don't want it as a defining term for bullet construction.

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#5599481 - 02/14/15 01:24 PM BATFE intends to ban M855 ball ammunition
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In a move clearly intended by the Obama Administration to suppress the acquisition, ownership and use of AR-15s and other .223 caliber general purpose rifles, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives unexpectedly announced today that it intends to ban commonplace M855 ball ammunition as “armor piercing ammunition.” The decision continues Obama’s use of his executive authority to impose gun control restrictions and bypass Congress.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150213/batfe-to-ban-common-ar-15-ammo
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#5599485 - 02/14/15 01:30 PM Re: BATFE intends to ban M855 ball ammunition [Re: Toxarch]
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#5599523 - 02/14/15 02:14 PM Re: Ban on 223 ammo? [Re: BOBO the Clown]
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Originally Posted By: jeh7mmmag


Armor piercing is a funny term. You don't want it as a defining term for bullet construction.

Kinda like the term assault rifle.
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#5599531 - 02/14/15 02:25 PM Re: Ban on 223 ammo? [Re: J.P. Greeson]
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Originally Posted By: jeh7mmmag


Armor piercing is a funny term. You don't want it as a defining term for bullet construction.

Kinda like the term assault rifle.


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#5599648 - 02/14/15 04:29 PM Re: Ban on 223 ammo? [Re: Novemberyet]
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So am I the only one that is a little confused here?

Are they proposing to ban ball .223 ammo or just the steel core stuff?


The next question is if you currently own the proposed ban ammo, will you by law be able to hang on to it or would it have to be surrendered, by law?
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#5599705 - 02/14/15 05:16 PM Re: BATFE intends to ban M855 ball ammunition [Re: Toxarch]
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Is Cheaper Than Dirt charging $2 per round yet?
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#5599718 - 02/14/15 05:35 PM Re: Ban on 223 ammo? [Re: Novemberyet]
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I hope you get to hold onto it. I'll sell it for $2 a round and switch my AR over to 300BLK haha.
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#5599757 - 02/14/15 06:04 PM Re: BATFE intends to ban M855 ball ammunition [Re: Toxarch]
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#5599831 - 02/14/15 07:36 PM Re: BATFE intends to ban M855 ball ammunition [Re: JCB]
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Is Cheaper Than Dirt charging $2 per round yet?


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#5599870 - 02/14/15 08:04 PM Re: BATFE intends to ban M855 ball ammunition [Re: Toxarch]
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Well now.....now I understand why a fellow at Cabellas today was loading up can after can into his cart and I couldn't find a box of the Federal MX855 that was supposed to be on sale...well hell....
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#5599908 - 02/14/15 08:42 PM Re: BATFE intends to ban M855 ball ammunition [Re: Toxarch]
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Is that the 62gr green tips?

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#5599915 - 02/14/15 08:50 PM Re: Ban on 223 ammo? [Re: 91cavgt]
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Originally Posted By: 91cavgt
So am I the only one that is a little confused here?

Are they proposing to ban ball .223 ammo or just the steel core stuff?


The next question is if you currently own the proposed ban ammo, will you by law be able to hang on to it or would it have to be surrendered, by law?


They are talking about the M855 ball that currently has an exception. From what I read, it sounds like this to be a total ban on ammo that meets their definition of armor piercing. The exception will be removed which means anybody that has any M855 ball would be in violation and would be required to surrender it.
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