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Re: 7mm mag [Re: JJH] #5599728 02/14/15 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted By: JJH
"Overkill" = more than needed.

A 257, 243, or 25/06 with the right bullets will have exactly the same effect. The 7mag will work fine. Just has more recoil , noise, and generally more rifle weight. But the good part is that we each get to use what we like and enjoy.


This was my point exactly. Alot of people, especially new hunters think they need a big bullet so the won't lose deer, or a worse excuse, so they don't have to track deer. If he wants a 7mm mag, then there isn't anything wrong with it, I can hammer finishing nails in with a 2lb sledge, but it'll wear your arm out. 12oz claw hammer is a better tool for that. I'm assuming based on his name of "amateur hunter" that he's new to hunting. I have a very good buddy who I shoot with that doesn't hunt very much if any. He felt like he had to have a .50 Beowulf to hunt hogs with (doesn't even have a place to hunt mind you) and no amount of me telling him his 30-06 and .270 were more than capable of doing the job with 100% effectiveness. He doesn't care, he loves his Beowulf, and that's a good thing. As long as you are happy with your choice, then it's all good, I just wanted to make sure he was informed.


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Originally Posted By: JJH
"Overkill" = more than needed.

A 257, 243, or 25/06 with the right bullets will have exactly the same effect. The 7mag will work fine. Just has more recoil , noise, and generally more rifle weight. But the good part is that we each get to use what we like and enjoy.


I have become a huge fan of the 243 lately BUT I can tell you first hand that other than the end "effect" being death to the animal, they are not created equal. I have a hard time punching any 243 round through both shoulders of a big Boar. Not so much with the 7Mag. That's just one example.

Re: 7mm mag [Re: eddie4529] #5599772 02/15/15 12:18 AM
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I have a 7mm mag in a ruger M77.

Nice rifle. Not a light rifle, but still has a good kick. Not really enjoyable to shoot all day, . . . or even though a box of 20.

I will probably get some thing in between the 7mm mag and the .223 eventually, but I have no intension of selling this rifle either.

Re: 7mm mag [Re: eddie4529] #5599785 02/15/15 12:37 AM
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How about the Weatherby Vanguard S2? It weighs 7.25 pounds in 7 RM, so with a scope will have enough heft to dampen some of that recoil.

$493.00 with blue finish and synthetic stock at Bud's Gun Shop.



Re: 7mm mag [Re: HWY_MAN] #5600027 02/15/15 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted By: HWY_MAN
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A 257, 243, or 25/06 with the right bullets will have exactly the same effect.


horsechit!


Now that's a cogent argument. crazy

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Originally Posted By: JJH
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A 257, 243, or 25/06 with the right bullets will have exactly the same effect.


horsechit!


Now that's a cogent argument. crazy


I believe in the KISS principle.


Yes! A Weatherby does kill them deader.
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And I guess all those DRT deer that I've taken over the last 50+ years with non-magnum rifles, weren't dead after all...

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Originally Posted By: JJH
And I guess all those DRT deer that I've taken over the last 50+ years with non-magnum rifles, weren't dead after all...


If you were trying to make a point about my comment about the 257, 243, 25-06, 7-mag comparison you lost me. Your comment has nothing to do with it. They simply do not have the same effect as a 7-mag in fact they don't even come close no matter what bullet your shooting. We're talking bullet weight, velocity and foot pounds of energy. Let's also add that the OP was specifically asking about the 7-Mag but like always we have to wade through the same silly nonsense that pops up every time the word magnum is mentioned.


Yes! A Weatherby does kill them deader.
Re: 7mm mag [Re: eddie4529] #5600308 02/15/15 03:56 PM
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Getting a rifle in 7mm mag any suggestions, was looking at a thompson center venture but just wanna see what other guns are out there


The original post was related to which 7mm Mag the poster should consider buying..... now I see posts about other calibers and why you don't need a magnum caliber, etc.

If you want to start a thread on which caliber to consider when you buy a rifle...start a new thread. Don't hijack this one.

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7mm has one of the best BC's, as far as which gun to get it in, it all depends on what you expect out it. The lighter the gun the more recoil, I prefer heavy but that's me. If your hand loading don't fully re-size your shot brass, the belted magnums tend to stretch at the belt when full re-sizing and can over stress the brass prematurely.

Re: 7mm mag [Re: eddie4529] #5600342 02/15/15 04:31 PM
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Re: 7mm mag [Re: eddie4529] #5600351 02/15/15 04:37 PM
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Yeah, I bought a go/no-go type gauge for the area in front of the belt. If a cartridge won't fit in it, it probably won't fit into the chamber, and believe me, if you force a round in, you will have to pound on your bolt handle to get it out!

I gave up on neck sizing on the magnums (although you can usually get away with it the first time). I screw the FL die in until it bottoms on the shell holder then back off 1 turn. I then run cases in, progressively turning the die back in until the case will fit in my gauge. Another way is to use an indicator gauge and set the shoulder back .003".


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And I guess all those DRT deer that I've taken over the last 50+ years with non-magnum rifles, weren't dead after all...


If you were trying to make a point about my comment about the 257, 243, 25-06, 7-mag comparison you lost me. Your comment has nothing to do with it. They simply do not have the same effect as a 7-mag in fact they don't even come close no matter what bullet your shooting. We're talking bullet weight, velocity and foot pounds of energy. Let's also add that the OP was specifically asking about the 7-Mag but like always we have to wade through the same silly nonsense that pops up every time the word magnum is mentioned.


I like the 7 mag, too. Took a nice elk with one in Sept. Just don't think the extra bullet weight, velocity, and foot pounds, kill Texas deer any better/deader/quicker than many other cartridges. YMMV. And I'm all for you using whatever rifle/cartridge/bullet combination works for you.

Just wasn't sure what your point was with the one word horse manure post.

And I feel so terrible about hijacking a thread. Guess I thought this was a forum to exchange ideas on hunting in Texas.

Re: 7mm mag [Re: eddie4529] #5600375 02/15/15 05:04 PM
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Where I hunt in S. TX I don't want to be trailing a deer through thorns and brush, I want it DRT and I think a magnum is your best chance.

Re: 7mm mag [Re: eddie4529] #5600387 02/15/15 05:17 PM
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I already have a 30-06 and a 243, had a 270 but I sold it I just want a 7mm rem mag just for the heck of it, and I'm not worried about not being able to kill a deer I know I can make the shot shot a doe with my 243 this past season and it only walked 10-15 yards before dropping dead aim banana

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Can't think of a better justification for getting a new rifle than " I just want it". grin

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