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Rifle "Build" #5596072 02/12/15 06:39 PM
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What do you consider a rifle "Build"?


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I guess it depends on individual meaning. I will say that any modification outside of factory rifle is a "build". You took a factory item and changed it so it's been "built" in a way. I can see where others would say that a "build" is when you piece the entire thing together, which makes sense too.

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Custom or semi custom. Painting a factory rifle and putting a brake on it isn't a build.

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Depends on the type or rifle. An AR build to me is one assembled from parts. A bold gun build would be reworked or custom action, new barrel or re-chamber, after market stock and etc. Not just a stock and bolt knob.


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Rifle built from components to your spec. Not off the shelf, or modified off the self.


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Well, since you asked, I have been thinking about all these "custom" rifles folks talk about and I do not see the vast majority of it as anything more than changing out stuff. There is no real definition, but here is mine:

1)Swapping out actions/barrels/triggers/stocks is not a "custom rifle" or "build". It's just ordering stuff and putting it together;

2)Doing the above and/or reaming a chamber for a new caliber, do a little trigger filing, inserting a recoil reducing system of some kind, etc. can be called a "semi-custom build" I guess. But it's not much more than #1 above;

#1 and #2 can be done with just a few hours of work.

3) A true "custom build" IMO is everything made to a client's specifications from the ground up and done to exact tolerances. In other words, a BUNCH of work. Custom fitted stock, action/trigger either built or worked on a lot down to super tight tolerances, etc., etc., etc. Many, many hours of work.


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If the action isn't something you can go to Academy/Dicks/BPS or Cabelas then it's a custom build. It's that simple in my eyes. The rest is semi-custom.

But I'm an action snob.


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Originally Posted By: Judd
If the action isn't something you can go to Academy/Dicks/BPS or Cabelas then it's a custom build. It's that simple in my eyes. The rest is semi-custom.

But I'm an action snob.


So if I go to academy and buy a Remington 700 sps and take it to my gunsmith and he throws everything away but the action and the bolt and builds a firearms out of those two parts its not a custom?

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Nope that is a semi custom.

I have a Remington 700 with a one piece fluted PTG bolt with a Kreiger barrel and I consider that a semi custom.

My next rifle will be 100% custom. It will be on a Stiller action.

The best ones are the guys that build a custom off the Savage actions. Or build a "custom" AR by throwing on a few accessories.


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There are lots of gun plumbers that aren't gun smiths.

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Agree with both those posts above. NewJeep's is as close to a custom as you can get (especially with the bolt upgrade, sounds like a nice gun btw) but at the end of the day it's still a Remington semi custom gun.

BIL makes a good point too...but I still say if a plumber assembles on a custom action...it's a custom, but odds are it isn't going to shoot like a custom assembled by a true smith.


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I would consider it a "build" once the barrel leaves the action, even if the same barrel is re-installed.


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I'm with NP on the 'build' definition. I've got a few rifles with original stock and action, but with new triggers and barrels and action tune-ups. I don't consider them to be custom rifles or even a "build". They are just improved, or you can call them semi-custom. Got another one under the knife at Horizon right now. Can't wait to get it back. That's the one that I recently wanted your opinions on 223 or 223 AI. Not going AI.


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I took a Colt SP1 completely apart and put it back together just so I can call it a build.


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So if you take a Remington 700 action off of a new rifle and have it blueprinted to tolerances of .0003, square the bolt face, spiral flute the bolt, add a custom machined bolt knob. Marry that to a high grade aftermarket barrel chambered to the customers desired caliber, have the barreled action cerakoted, bed it in a quality aftermarket stock after the trigger has been tuned or replaced.
It's still not a custom build because you started with a factory action?

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Originally Posted By: MikeC
So if you take a Remington 700 action off of a new rifle and have it blueprinted to tolerances of .0003, square the bolt face, spiral flute the bolt, add a custom machined bolt knob. Marry that to a high grade aftermarket barrel chambered to the customers desired caliber, have the barreled action cerakoted, bed it in a quality aftermarket stock after the trigger has been tuned or replaced.
It's still not a custom build because you started with a factory action?


I would call that one custom. Some might call it semi-custom. It's a continuum.

A "custom" is built from scratch to the owner's specs with that owner's dimensions and desires in mind from the get-go. Some makers even machine their own proprietary actions and the owner picks his stock blank. Etc., etc... That gets into some big $$$.


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Originally Posted By: MikeC
So if you take a Remington 700 action off of a new rifle and have it blueprinted to tolerances of .0003, square the bolt face, spiral flute the bolt, add a custom machined bolt knob. Marry that to a high grade aftermarket barrel chambered to the customers desired caliber, have the barreled action cerakoted, bed it in a quality aftermarket stock after the trigger has been tuned or replaced.
It's still not a custom build because you started with a factory action?


Yeah I don't get it either. I guess it would also be a "Semi Custom" if you bought said Remington action from brownells and slapped it together.

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So when you shoot an animal with a custom, does he die deader than one shot with a semi custom or a factory rifle?

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Originally Posted By: MikeC
So if you take a Remington 700 action off of a new rifle and have it blueprinted to tolerances of .0003, square the bolt face, spiral flute the bolt, add a custom machined bolt knob. Marry that to a high grade aftermarket barrel chambered to the customers desired caliber, have the barreled action cerakoted, bed it in a quality aftermarket stock after the trigger has been tuned or replaced.
It's still not a custom build because you started with a factory action?


That's a semi custom in my opinion though it will shoot as good.

To me custom is a "special" action, barrel, length of pull, color, color of stock and brand, and to meet a certain weight or goal. Many ideas listed above are just rebarrels.

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So if you take a Remington 700 action off of a new rifle and have it blueprinted to tolerances of .0003, square the bolt face, spiral flute the bolt, add a custom machined bolt knob. Marry that to a high grade aftermarket barrel chambered to the customers desired caliber, have the barreled action cerakoted, bed it in a quality aftermarket stock after the trigger has been tuned or replaced.
It's still not a custom build because you started with a factory action?


That's a semi custom in my opinion though it will shoot as good.

To me custom is a "special" action, barrel, length of pull, color, color of stock and brand, and to meet a certain weight or goal. Many ideas listed above are just rebarrels.


I was referring to a rifle that I had built. It meets all the specifications that have been described above with the exception of the action. In reality 99% of all actions are built in a factory whether it be in Remingtons factory of Stillers or Surgeons or those made by anyone with the exception of a one off machined action.


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True

It seems like everybody and there dog uses the Stiller brand to call them "their" action.

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Originally Posted By: redchevy
What do you consider a rifle "Build"?


Partial = new stock and bottom metal, or new barrel, or barrel and bottom metal.

Full = buy an action (mass produced or custom) get the caliber and contour of barrel, have it threaded chambered, cut crowned and muzzle threaded, custom stock, bottom metal.

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I'd call it an accurized semi-custom. Majority of customs are going to be semi-custom. There's a very fine market for true custom builds.

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Originally Posted By: Nogalus Prairie
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So if you take a Remington 700 action off of a new rifle and have it blueprinted to tolerances of .0003, square the bolt face, spiral flute the bolt, add a custom machined bolt knob. Marry that to a high grade aftermarket barrel chambered to the customers desired caliber, have the barreled action cerakoted, bed it in a quality aftermarket stock after the trigger has been tuned or replaced.
It's still not a custom build because you started with a factory action?


I would call that one custom. Some might call it semi-custom. It's a continuum.

A "custom" is built from scratch to the owner's specs with that owner's dimensions and desires in mind from the get-go. Some makers even machine their own proprietary actions and the owner picks his stock blank. Etc., etc... That gets into some big $$$.


Don't know why it would be a semi. The action is still made just like the clone actions. So be the definition above unless the maker made the action its a semi custom. So a clone is a semi custom.

I don't know about that.


Edit--mike asked same question as me

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I'd call it an accurized semi-custom. Majority of customs are going to be semi-custom. There's a very fine market for true custom builds.


So true custom is the builder hand made the action also?


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