Just heard the atf has reversed its decision about the sig brace. If its shouldered, its a sbr and needs a stamp.
Article was from last month, but haven't heard anything about it. Have a friend who bought one thats pissed. Guess he should of used the cost of a brace to do a sbr. Don't know if it can hold water if just by shouldering it redesigns it, seems it would be hard to hold up in court but who wants to try first?
http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/18/anothe...ilizing-braces/

Exactly why I never bought one of those things.

Had a feeling it would turn into a pain. Sucks,
but finding out whether it holds up will be expensive
for anyone that tries.

I would think it would be an easy conviction in court with a simple photo of the accused shoulder firing a firearm with a barrel under 16".
It only cost $200 for the stamp to play the game right instead trying to work around the rules

Exactly my thinking.

That ruling is odd... kinda says if you fire a pistol with two hands you have "redesigned" it and are a felon.

Apparently it's all about intent if you intended to make an SBR and instead bought a brace and used it as such then you are breaking the law. If you bought a pistol then happened to shoulder your pistol that is not illegal. Not advocating to try this out not worth messing with the ATF

I don't get why it would have been looked at any differently than something like this:

http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=1201

^This. The key word is "intent".



The reason they released the statement is because they kept getting letters from people (it boiled down to one specific person when they sent out the release) asking if it was OK to build a pistol with the Sig brace and shoulder it. If you build a pistol with the intent to shoulder it, then you are not building a pistol per the ATF definition. As long as the intent is to build a pistol with the intent to use it as a pistol, then you are legal. If you happen to shoulder it later, then that's not the issue. The issue is the builder's intent when building the weapon. If you don't tell anyone anything about your plans, then it can be assumed your intent is a legal pistol with a Sig brace attached.

Eh. The letter states:

"The pistol stabilizing brace was neither “designed” nor approved to be used as a shoulder stock, and therefore use as a shoulder stock constitutes a “redesign” of the device because a possessor has changed the very function of the item. Any individual letters stating otherwise are contrary to the plain language of the NFA, misapply Federal law, and are hereby revoked."

so "use" of the brace, not "intent to use" is deemed a "redesign."

Well, then it sucks for those who spent money on one.

Should have just done it the right way to begin with.. The price of the brace pays for the stamp and they're at a 1 month wait at the moment. Never understood doing something halfass like this. No one that buys a sig brace uses it for its intended purpose. Everyone uses it as a wonnabe SBR option. Not sure why the ATF ever authorized this thing in the first place they knew what people would use it for.

Of course I don't think SBR's should be regulated in the first place but that's another story.

once you have a stamped SBR, what are your foregrip options?

Just the AFG?

I still don't see how shouldering that brace constitutes a "redesign" when the physical properties of the stock remain unchanged.

That's like saying you've "redesigned" a screwdriver if you use it as a scraper.

^^^ Which is why the ruling is so scary. Technically shooting your glock with a common two handed grip would constitute a "redesign" under this and make it an "aow," and you a criminal.

I've seen several in the classifieds the last 2 days. Hadn't seen one for sale here in a while. People trying to sell them before word gets out.

Check out the EE on arfcom. There are tons for sale. It was a stupid gimmick to begin with and still a stupid gimmick.

Suppressors either

If the wind happened to be blowing another direction a few years ago, I could see a world where
suppressors would be required by law.

Whatever foregrip you want with an SBR. Restrictions were only on pistols.

I bought a sig brace to use with 300 BO pistol build. I may SBR later if I like the pistol, until then I'll use the brace "as intended" in the privacy of my own shooting areas