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#5592998 - 02/10/15 05:13 PM Need help with a stupid reloading question
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In my 6.5 Weatherby, I have been loading the Berger 140gr VLD Hunting bullet. Just for grins, I bought a box of Berger 130gr VLD Hunting bullets. While measuring OAL on these 130's, to tough the lands, it seems like the bullet is not in the neck very far about 1/8" above the start of the "boat tail"
I'm sure this is common but I have never run into this. I haven't seated any rounds yet, brass is in the tumbler.

Thoughts, besides get a 6.5 Creedmore? JK confused2
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#5593016 - 02/10/15 05:30 PM Re: Need help with a stupid reloading question [Re: Buzzsaw]
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It sounds like the throat on your Wby is pretty far away, which is very common on Wby chambers. They generally have a long jump. If your trying to seat the 130 on the lands, you may have to go seat it a little deeper. If I know I am going to run a certain bullet in a new rifle, I will take measurements of the ogive to tip length, and run these numbers comparing it the reamer, and see if I need to get a zero lead throat reamer made, and come back in with a throating reamer. I did this with my 260 Rem to run the 140 VLD's near mag length. There's not many choices once the barrel has been chambered.
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#5593070 - 02/10/15 06:12 PM Re: Need help with a stupid reloading question [Re: Buzzsaw]
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You think a longer jump will defeat the VDL Hunting bullets reputation for only shooting well when seated into the lands?

nothing wrong with the 140's, they shoot great, This is the only bullet the builder uses in this caliber, I guess we can't leave well enough alone.

Rifle has 1-9 twist, thought the long, lighter bullet might shoot a scouch better??

so what say ye, seatem touching or seat them deeper?
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#5593077 - 02/10/15 06:19 PM Re: Need help with a stupid reloading question [Re: Buzzsaw]
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Seat them out long, and see if you can move the bullet. If you can move it side to side slightly, I'd seat it shorter. I like at least half of a bullet diameter in the neck. So, a .264" would be .132", but with a good amount of neck tension. I wouldn't run a bushing die with .001" or .002" neck tension and have only a small amount of the bullet in the case, though.
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#5593082 - 02/10/15 06:27 PM Re: Need help with a stupid reloading question [Re: Buzzsaw]
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I have some loads for Berger VLDs with .04 jump to the lands that shoot 5/8 groups at 200. Berger suggests if you cannot seat to the lands due to magazine length back off .04, .08 or .12 and should be able to find a load that shoots well.

Tried some HSM loaded 6.5-284 with 140gr Bergers, that had .09 jump in my rifle that shot 1.5 inch groups at 325 yards from the Cooper. That was before I started reloading for it.

http://www.bergerbullets.com/vld-making-shoot/


Edited by kmon1 (02/10/15 06:56 PM)
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#5593186 - 02/10/15 07:49 PM Re: Need help with a stupid reloading question [Re: Buzzsaw]
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its a .257 weatherby necked up to 6.6. not sure about ant reamer dimensions. builder would have this. I will load up several loadings and test them this Saturday, see what numbers I get
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#5593187 - 02/10/15 07:49 PM Re: Need help with a stupid reloading question [Re: Buzzsaw]
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#5593243 - 02/10/15 08:17 PM Re: Need help with a stupid reloading question [Re: Buzzsaw]
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Are you using the cut neck method to find the lands in that chamber?
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#5593592 - 02/11/15 06:30 AM Re: Need help with a stupid reloading question [Re: Buzzsaw]
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I would definitely try the jump and go from there.
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#5593704 - 02/11/15 08:12 AM Re: Need help with a stupid reloading question [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Are you using the cut neck method to find the lands in that chamber?

If you are using the cut neck method and not a modified case, verify that the bullet is not too tight in the case where it jams into the lands and the bullet literally pulls out of the case when you extract it to show a longer than actual COAL.


Edited by GLC (02/11/15 08:36 AM)
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#5593903 - 02/11/15 09:52 AM Re: Need help with a stupid reloading question [Re: GLC]
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Originally Posted By: GLC
Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Are you using the cut neck method to find the lands in that chamber?

If you are using the cut neck method and not a modified case, verify that the bullet is not too tight in the case where it jams into the lands and the bullet literally pulls out of the case when you extract it to show a longer than actual COAL.


Yes. Seat it long, measure to the ogive, write down the measurement, chamber it, measure and document again. Repeat four more times.
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#5593918 - 02/11/15 09:58 AM Re: Need help with a stupid reloading question [Re: Buzzsaw]
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I've tried this method, and I never could get it to work correctly. IMO, there's too much variance with the bullet hitting the lands and pulling out from the case.

If you seat a bullet out long, and chamber check it, you can feel when closing the bolt if you are hitting the lands. If you seat it long and the bolt won't close, seat it slightly deeper and re chamber check the round. Keep seating it deeper or longer until you can see slight scratching marks on the ogive of the bullet from the rifling. Once you scratch one bullet up, set it aside and go to the next round. It generally takes me about 3-5 rounds to find the exact measurement where the bullet makes contact to the lands. This method you don't have to tear up a case, and I do this while I am loading the test loads anyway.
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#5593947 - 02/11/15 10:14 AM Re: Need help with a stupid reloading question [Re: Buzzsaw]
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One of the neatest things since peanut butter: http://www.hornady.com/store/OAL-Gauges/

You do have to either buy or make a modified case. I suggest buying the tap to do this and making your own but Hornady has most popular cases.


One other tip to help you if you are going to use either Chad or JG's way...take some fine steel wool (like 000) and shine the bullet up. You are looking for squares on the ogive where the bullet makes contact with the lands...depending on the grooves in your barrel will depend on how many marks on the bullet. I prefer them to be small square marks but not indented (that's to much pressure).

Not stupid question at all.
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#5593964 - 02/11/15 10:20 AM Re: Need help with a stupid reloading question [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Originally Posted By: GLC
Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Are you using the cut neck method to find the lands in that chamber?

If you are using the cut neck method and not a modified case, verify that the bullet is not too tight in the case where it jams into the lands and the bullet literally pulls out of the case when you extract it to show a longer than actual COAL.


Yes. Seat it long, measure to the ogive, write down the measurement, chamber it, measure and document again. Repeat four more times.



Instead of just closing the bolt on it and extracting, close the bolt and open it partially four or five times and THEN extract and measure. When I get the same measurement three times in a row using this technique I am confident in the result.
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#5594108 - 02/11/15 11:37 AM Re: Need help with a stupid reloading question [Re: Buzzsaw]
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The Weatherby calibers all have freebore in Weatherby rifles. If a fellow is going to shoot a Weatherby caliber in a rifle without freebore, if would be very wise to work up the loads very carefully. The freebore, per Weatherby, is there for a reason.

Nobody mentioned this, so I thought I should.

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