And the deal isn't even signed yet but here they go.
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/8-DKG-A5569

Funny thing is that doesn't even appear to be 855 ammo either. Just claims its 62gr FMJ. I don't see anything about it being 855 anywhere. They will sell out though.

That didn't take long, such a classless business.

I noticed that too. They are probably busy painting all the tips green.

But...but...but...


They have a right to do all this!!!

It's just market demand!!!

They're not gouging!!!



I suppose there's three born every minute. But I guess one wouldn't admit to being price gouged if they willingly took it in the shorts and paid the inflated pricing.

Always carry a magnet with you to check for the steel tip.

They will sell out quickly. Too many out there falling for it, yet again.

It is (according to the above CTD link) "our low price", after all.

LMAO...and on Monday or Tuesday the wailing and nashing of teeth will start when CTD informs all the buyers of Privi/Lake City 855 from earlier this weekend that they won't honor their deals...never again, never again...I went around to half a dozen wallmarts this morning and was a much happier camper...

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/8-DKG-A5569

CTD sucks butt....

They make it hard to find out but I think they only have 2 or 3 locations in Texas. (?)

Yep, located in Fort Worth and McKinney.

And Round Rock, apparently.

Fort Worth location closed down last year.

There is a new store called "Fort Worth Gun" off of I30 and Eastchase Parkway. They were "formerly" the CTD Fort Worth retail store.

Changed names and locations because of the rep they had here after the last batch of happened.

They do have the right to do this. No one is defending them canceling orders only to sell the previously spoken for item at a higher price. However, if they want to raise their pricing in their store to 1000 times higher than market value, that is there prerogative. Just like it is your prerogative to not purchase it at that price. Ammo is not an essential purchase and therefore this does not meet the definition of "gouging". Consumers set the true market price. If the last box of ammo goes out the door as the truck is pulling in with new inventory, they have reached equilibrium between supply and demand, and are selling at market value. If their pricing is too high, they will have a surplus of goods. If the price is too low, they will have empty shelves. Just basic economics...

So, you are saying that CTD creating a false panic for a product they have and more than doubling the price overnight is "basic economics"...?

You are right, customers do tend to set the pricing in the market for a lot of products. Ammunition is one of those things that comes under pressure not only by the market but by the government trying to control the population's possession of firearms and ammunition. When you have a business driving panic in a community of individuals already feeling pressure from their government, anti-firearm groups, etc. then would you not come to the conclusion they won't stay in business for very long due to customer sentiment from that community? You can see the general attitude about them by just flipping through this thread. Their actions are driving a whole industry, and they know it. "Basic economics" fundamentals, huh?

Ammunition sales isn't the same as selling Big Macs or toasters.

The market finally corrected itself, and it will again. And as much of a right as they have to do what they are doing, everyone here has the right to not patronize their business and speak out to notify others to not buy from that business. That is also part of "basic economics".

Oh, and BTW here's a few places to visit for the meaning of "gouging".

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gouge
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_gouging
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/gouging

There are lots of other places as well. You are not wrong, but the definition you chose pertains to the law. The definition I and others are using is the general, pejorative use which I thought would have been easy to see. If it was JUST the market driving prices, then we would be having a different discussion more in line with "basic economics". Saying they have the right to charge whatever the heck they want to (which I am not disputing) without acknowledging consumer sentiment due to their business practices that will affect further sales in the market (which is what I and others here are expressing) would be to deny the existence of free market economy at it's most basic level.

I (and others here) understand your "basic economics" example and already know what it is, but you have to remember that it's a two sided coin. I, and others here are simply presenting the other side of that coin. Loudly.

I wouldn't piss on 'em if they were on fire.

CTD isn't creating a "false panic"... The gov put out a letter and shooters are clearing the shelves of that ammo. The ATF letter created the panic... Consumers and CTD are just reacting to what is to come... a run on ammo. It started happening the minute that letter was posted to various boards on Friday.

Again, a retailer does not set his price based on what he paid for his inventory... he sets it based on the cost to replenish it, as well as what he believes the market will bear. Let's face it, ammo is a commodity. So if CTD is priced too high, they will not be able to sell the commodity. However, when other retailers such as Walmart are too slow to react to market variables, they will be left with nothing but empty shelves.

As far as gouging, the legal definition is the only one that makes sense. No one is forcing you to buy from CTD. What they are selling is not essential to your survival... there is no gouging or collusion involved. If you don't like the price, don't pay it. I agree, warn others about the prices being to high, and the practice of canceling orders, but to say they are gouging is intellectually dishonest at best.

I will not buy from CTD if they are the highest in the land. However, if they are truly cheapest, or at least reasonably priced for a commodity that they have in stock, I will buy. Obviously I haven't purchased anything from them in awhile, but I don't harbor the hate against them.

And let the panic begin....
http://texasguntrader.com/index.php?a=2&b=658227

What you are arguing against is the customer sentiment being generated by CTD who has been conducting their business like this since 1995 beginning with their "Y2K" campaign. Ignoring their business practices and how the public at large is reacting to it is intellectually dishonest and not addressing the issue I and a LOT of others are talking about. You can say the consumer is wrong all you want. To see so many expressing the same opinion to the contrary and continue saying the consumer should just move on silently is just as dishonest.

A little history.

http://www.gunsandammo.info/blog/ammo-price-gouging (from 2013)
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/02...aper-than-dirt/
(read the comments, from 2013 as well)
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/show...of-new-gun-laws
(you'll recognize a lot of the same sentiment here)

Then there's this.
https://www.facebook.com/BoycottCheaperThanDirt

Google will supply you with MUCH more similar information. BATFE is going to have to be forced to rescind this ruling through court action (as usual) and hopefully it'll happen. Everyone has until March 16 2015 to respond to their letter in writing, FWIW.

We'll probably just have to agree to disagree on this one.

1770 bucks for 1010 rounds.

It'll sell, probably.

Once again, CTD isn't big enough to create a "false panic". Not even close. Any belief otherwise is just confusion or ignorance.

Not acknowledging what everyone else (as many as there are) that's had dealings with CTD says and thinks about them is ignorant.

Hasn't this already been discussed?

I thought it had...

No worries.

Everyone feels differently about it.