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#5578868 - 02/02/15 05:46 PM Savage 116
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I've acquired one of these and it is giving me about 4-5 inch 5-shot groups at 100 yards. Not counting handloading, what are the steps I should take to make this thing sub-moa?
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#5578895 - 02/02/15 05:56 PM Re: Savage 116 [Re: postoak]
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Check your scope and mount. Have someone else shoot it to confirm inaccuracy. Try different ammo. If none of those help, and gun is new, call Savage. If not new, have barrel inspected/recrowned and bed action.

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#5578901 - 02/02/15 05:57 PM Re: Savage 116 [Re: postoak]
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Try different ammo
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#5578908 - 02/02/15 06:00 PM Re: Savage 116 [Re: postoak]
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What's it chambered in? What stock is it wearing? What position were you shooting from? What was supporting the rifle? Is the barrel free-floated? Are the action screws tight? What's the twist rate, and what bullet weight are you running? What base, rings, and scope?
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#5578983 - 02/02/15 06:36 PM Re: Savage 116 [Re: postoak]
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7mm Rem. Mag. I was shooting Remington ammo. I'm not familiar with the Remington ammo for 7mm RM, but this box was 150 grain and had a plastic tip.

The stock is black synthetic and presumably factory original. This is an older gun and doesn't have the Accu-trigger and in fact, the trigger pull feels like about 6-7 pounds. Do these older Savages have adjustable triggers?

This is one of those package deals. It comes with a Nikon 3-9 scope, in frosted silver color.

I am using a Lead Sled and can shoot sub-moa without one, so I'm sure the fault is in the rifle.

I think the barrel is free-floated (is that the way these come from the factory)?
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#5579001 - 02/02/15 06:42 PM Re: Savage 116 [Re: postoak]
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So......much......wrong.....here....
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#5579032 - 02/02/15 06:58 PM Re: Savage 116 [Re: postoak]
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Originally Posted By: postoak
7mm Rem. Mag. I was shooting Remington ammo. I'm not familiar with the Remington ammo for 7mm RM, but this box was 150 grain and had a plastic tip.

The stock is black synthetic and presumably factory original. This is an older gun and doesn't have the Accu-trigger and in fact, the trigger pull feels like about 6-7 pounds. Do these older Savages have adjustable triggers?

This is one of those package deals. It comes with a Nikon 3-9 scope, in frosted silver color.

I am using a Lead Sled and can shoot sub-moa without one, so I'm sure the fault is in the rifle.

I think the barrel is free-floated (is that the way these come from the factory)?


I'll address the things I know how to, and leave the ammo stuff to the experts. Take a dollar bill and wrap it around the barrel, it should slide nearly all the way up to the actions without contacting anything on the stock. I don't believe the older factory triggers are easily adjustable. I'd put a $100 Timney in it asap if its in the budget.

Scope may be fine. I'd thoroughly check all the scope rings and mounts to ensure they are properly tightened.
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#5579086 - 02/02/15 07:19 PM Re: Savage 116 [Re: postoak]
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What Fireman said. Many older Savage rifles got criticized for looks but few for accuracy. The trigger would be an issue. Could be operator. Could be scope mounting. That is a good scope unless damaged. Doubt it would be that far off with the factory ammunition just because of the ammunition. First thing I would check for would be flinching. It happens not that I ever had that problem.

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#5579104 - 02/02/15 07:27 PM Re: Savage 116 [Re: postoak]
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Originally Posted By: postoak
I've acquired one of these and it is giving me about 4-5 inch 5-shot groups at 100 yards. Not counting handloading, what are the steps I should take to make this thing sub-moa?



1st thing check the rings and bases for tightness. OR purchase new rings/bases to be sure. A heavy trigger should not be the reason for 5 in groups at 100yrd; case in point, I purchased a Stevens 200 several years ago NIB, put new tally mounts and a new scope on it, went to the range and almost needed 2 fingers to pull the trigger it was so heavy. Even with the heavy trigger, this .270 Winchester printed 3 shot groups less than 1 in at 100 yards, and is more accurate than my 1979 Rem 700 .270 ever has been.

Let us know how the rifle groups after you check out the scope mounts.

Good luck

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#5579178 - 02/02/15 07:59 PM Re: Savage 116 [Re: postoak]
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Im sticking w/ scope/mount issues Or action screw. But, you said lead sled. Ive never shot from one. Does that put pressure on the forend? Some of the savage stocks are known for being little more than tupperware. Check that the sled isn't affecting the barrel by putting pressure on the stock.

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#5579331 - 02/02/15 09:11 PM Re: Savage 116 [Re: postoak]
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Lead sled doesn't put pressure on the fore-end. I can hold steady, and the Lead sled improves this, if anything. Also, I am used to shooting a heavier-recoiling caliber than the 7 mag without the Lead sled and the Lead sled reduces recoil to almost nothing.

I'll check the rings and mounts and also the action screw, and confirm the barrel is free-floating.
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#5579338 - 02/02/15 09:15 PM Re: Savage 116 [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
So......much......wrong.....here....
wtf
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#5579564 - 02/02/15 11:38 PM Re: Savage 116 [Re: postoak]
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Tighten scope rings. Rifle Basix makes a great trigger for savages.
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#5580417 - 02/03/15 02:37 PM Re: Savage 116 [Re: postoak]
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Too late, I've already ordered a Timney Trigger. I don't think this will improve accuracy much from the bench but certainly will in the field.

Everyone is zeroing in on faulty mounting of the scope or faulty shooter, but couldn't the rifle itself be at fault? I understand the scope tightness is an easy possible fix, and I'll do that, of course, but, if that doesn't change things where do I go next?

Are their any drop-in stocks that guarantee a free-floating barrel, have a good 1" thick pad (the one that comes with the Savage is a thickness I've never seen before. It looks to be about 3/4" thick and pretty cheap). The stock itself looks okay to me, aesthetically, but then I'm no connoisseur of synthetic stocks.

BTW, this group I shot (from cold barrel) consisted of 3 holes, almost horizontal and about 1 1/2" wide and then 2 more holes, also horizontal, and about 1" apart, with about 3" vertically between the two groups. I don't know if that tells anyone anything, but thought I'd throw that out there.
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#5580437 - 02/03/15 02:48 PM Re: Savage 116 [Re: postoak]
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[quote=postoak]Too late, I've already ordered a Timney Trigger. I don't think this will improve accuracy much from the bench but certainly will in the field."

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