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#5578848 - 02/02/15 05:30 PM Bumped/busted/taking out
bill oxner Online   content
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My friend ET just called excited. They had found 15 coveys this morning and pointed most. He said that Beckett busted one covey. The wind was strong out of the north. This is Beckett;



He went on to say that Beckett came in from the north and never smelled them. I corrected him with some NSTRA guidelines. I told him that Beckett had bumped the birds. My first pointer was before the e-collar. She'd point them and take them out. Busting to me is smelling them and never pointing them. I've seen it all. Bumped is the only one that's forgivable to me. What are your definitions? I've had them all. Have you?


Edited by bill oxner (02/02/15 05:32 PM)
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#5579020 - 02/02/15 06:52 PM Re: Bumped/busted/taking out [Re: bill oxner]
dwheel Offline
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Registered: 12/28/14
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In late 70s had a chance to piuck up a nice little tiver field trial washed out, female pointer.. she would hold a single all day.. but a covey would overwhem her.. get never.. break point.. take em out.. planned a weekend trip guy, I work with at time.. wanted to go along.. she pointed in honey suckle on edge of soybean ffield old dog Susie backing.. we got with in 20 feet had her on a 8nft ckeck cord.. she busted thru em.. on way to work singles.. she pointed again in a little wash in filed.. looked around and there goes Fred running in front of dog.. hell.. he took out another covey.. birds flying everywhere.. had a dog and hunter.. neither would hold point.., finally got dog broke.. and ole Fred never got another invite

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#5579100 - 02/02/15 07:25 PM Re: Bumped/busted/taking out [Re: bill oxner]
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I agree a bump takes place when the dogs never smells them. I believe it also occurs when dog come in on unwind side whirls, points and birds flush.

What do you call when a dog is working running birds and has worked them for over 50 yards, pointing, relocating, pointing etc and birds get up 20 yards in front of dogs. I had that happen several time last weekend in a real high wind. If the dogs and not been continuing to relocate we would have never seen them fly.

I use to have a pointer that was extremely difficult to break but in latter years she would bust birds on command. Worked out nice when birds in gulley or thicket and you could stay where you could shoot and she would flush them.

When I get so good that I never miss I will expect a dog that never makes a mistake. Since I am on the wrong side of the curve I will never have it happen.

I love to watch a pup become a birddog and good dogs work running birds.
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#5579265 - 02/02/15 08:37 PM Re: Bumped/busted/taking out [Re: bill oxner]
danceswithquail Offline
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Registered: 08/20/07
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Thats a great pic, somebody knows how to play with field of view that was working the camera

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#5579289 - 02/02/15 08:51 PM Re: Bumped/busted/taking out [Re: bill oxner]
iliketohunt Online   sleepy
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Sounds like splitting hairs.
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#5580041 - 02/03/15 10:05 AM Re: Bumped/busted/taking out [Re: bill oxner]
nak Offline
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Registered: 08/26/12
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I agree with Bump. ...where were these 15 coveys found?
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#5580186 - 02/03/15 11:48 AM Re: Bumped/busted/taking out [Re: bill oxner]
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On some Quail Coalition managed property on the coastal prairies. Jim Willis was there.
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#5581208 - 02/03/15 10:16 PM Re: Bumped/busted/taking out [Re: bill oxner]
beatarmy Offline
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Registered: 10/01/09
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Loc: dallas
To me, bumped is when the dog gets a little close before they lock up on point and the birds flush. On the other hand if the dog locks up a good 10 yards or more from the covey and stays locked but the birds flush well after the point and while the dog is holding that to me is flushing wild...the birds just didn't hold...happens with pressured birds and in the afternoon when birds are loafing. If the dog completely misses the point and the birds flush because I'm about to step on them that is a miss...as in the dog completely missed the birds. If the dog barrels through a covey and they flush that is busted...that's what flushing dogs are for.

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