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#5578809 - 02/02/15 05:01 PM Why Mouflon Why
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Why in Austria are these called mouflon but in Texas they would be cross hybrids





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#5578817 - 02/02/15 05:03 PM Re: Why Mouflon Why [Re: SheepHunter]
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Because they are cross hybrids and Austria does not want to call them that.
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#5578869 - 02/02/15 05:47 PM Re: Why Mouflon Why [Re: SheepHunter]
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#5578873 - 02/02/15 05:48 PM Re: Why Mouflon Why [Re: SheepHunter]
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What are they crossed with?

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#5578928 - 02/02/15 06:07 PM Re: Why Mouflon Why [Re: Kobus]
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Originally Posted By: Kobus
What are they crossed with?
I have no idea. You tell me.
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#5578950 - 02/02/15 06:17 PM Re: Why Mouflon Why [Re: Kobus]
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Originally Posted By: Kobus
What are they crossed with?


Idk but they are studs

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#5579005 - 02/02/15 06:44 PM Re: Why Mouflon Why [Re: SheepHunter]
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I think those are just mouflon with better genetics

Kinda like a Midwestern whitetail will look different than a Texas whitetail which look different than Florida whitetail
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#5579095 - 02/02/15 07:24 PM Re: Why Mouflon Why [Re: SheepHunter]
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wouldn't matter as long as it was in my CROSS-hairs
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#5579174 - 02/02/15 07:56 PM Re: Why Mouflon Why [Re: SheepHunter]
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I thought that the European Mouflons that are in Austria and the Czech Republic were introduced in the 1800 and the original stock came from Corsica. I know I read that...now whether that is true or not I cannot guarantee.

I also thought that the European Mouflons in the US (not just Texas) were from zoo stock that came from Europe.

So I always assumed that the Mouflons that are hunted in Europe had better horns because they were older and might have also had better genetics.

So I am confused when someone says that the ones in Europe are hybrids and the ones in Texas are not.

Oh..and for the record I'd shoot one in a nanosecond!



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#5579294 - 02/02/15 08:53 PM Re: Why Mouflon Why [Re: SheepHunter]
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I've wondered this myself and have even seen a pic of ram with a real faint patch from Spain and it was still being called a pure a mouflon.

I would shoot one of the rams above and be thrilled with it.

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#5579358 - 02/02/15 09:25 PM Re: Why Mouflon Why [Re: SheepHunter]
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B/C in Texas curl out like that is 99% of the time a cross with a Corsican. Really big Central European mouflon will curl out like that - they aren't purposefully crossing them, they have just selected for certain traits over centuries of controlled harvest.

Most of our really good mouflon look closer to the Spanish and southern Med Mouflons - at least the ones I have seen over there.

Some of the European Mouflons will have some domestic sheep in them - somewhat inevitable since they live in close proximity - this is why, particularly in France you will see some with white points on them.

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#5579561 - 02/02/15 11:34 PM Re: Why Mouflon Why [Re: Txnrog]
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Originally Posted By: Txnrog
B/C in Texas curl out like that is 99% of the time a cross with a Corsican. Really big Central European mouflon will curl out like that - they aren't purposefully crossing them, they have just selected for certain traits over centuries of controlled harvest.

Most of our really good mouflon look closer to the Spanish and southern Med Mouflons - at least the ones I have seen over there.

Some of the European Mouflons will have some domestic sheep in them - somewhat inevitable since they live in close proximity - this is why, particularly in France you will see some with white points on them.


First of all I believe there are as pure of mouflon here in Texas as anywhere in the world. However due to demand (and some bad outfitters) a lot of cross breeds are being pawned off as pure. Therefore Hunter better beware and educated.


My question to you Sir,
I also agree there are some of those 1% in Texas. If top Texas mouflon ranches decided to improved their mouflon herds by breeding to the 1% with huge curl out horns would they be accepted as pure mouflon here?

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#5579702 - 02/03/15 06:30 AM Re: Why Mouflon Why [Re: SheepHunter]
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Okay...I'd be interested to hear what Rickey Hunt has to say.

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#5579887 - 02/03/15 08:44 AM Re: Why Mouflon Why [Re: SheepHunter]
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Way back 30 or more years ago when Louis Stumburg was developing his Sheep breed he had 2 results. One being the Stumburg we are familiar with and a Mouflon looking type that the horns flared out. He decided there was not a good market here in the States for a sheep like this. He kept the Stumberg type and since he was originally from Austria sent the Mouflon type semen there where the gov. impregnated as many of the wild Mouflon as they could. Thus that is why they now have the Mouflon with the flared horns.
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#5580019 - 02/03/15 09:56 AM Re: Why Mouflon Why [Re: don k]
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Originally Posted By: don k
Way back 30 or more years ago when Louis Stumburg was developing his Sheep breed he had 2 results. One being the Stumburg we are familiar with and a Mouflon looking type that the horns flared out. He decided there was not a good market here in the States for a sheep like this. He kept the Stumberg type and since he was originally from Austria sent the Mouflon type semen there where the gov. impregnated as many of the wild Mouflon as they could. Thus that is why they now have the Mouflon with the flared horns.


WOW.. Now that is some information.


Edited by SheepHunter (02/03/15 09:58 AM)

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