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#5578070 - 02/02/15 09:48 AM High Fence questions
Ricochet83 Offline
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There is 3 of us on a 416 acre lease in south live oak county outside of george west. The landowner is doing really well in the cattle business and decided to high fence the property. They do all the work themselves and cut down on costs. One side of the property already buts up to high fence so they didnt have to do anything with that side. I spoke with them this weekend and they have half of the remaining fenceline already done. They will do the other half next year and once it is completed they will bring in a few bucks and release them on the property. (before anyone says to get off now cause they will rather do day hunts, we have a 5 year contract with an 5 year extension offer in the contract.) they are really cool people and we knew all of this going in this year. my question is this and it may be a dumb one but until the fence is complete next season will having what is equivalent to 3/4 of the property high fenced have any kind of negative effect on the deer hunting next season? Once they complete the high fence and before they release the bucks on the place they will be doing a survey to find out CC, ratios of the native deer on the property.
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#5578084 - 02/02/15 09:56 AM Re: High Fence questions [Re: Ricochet83]
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If you have cover food and water I doubt it will hurt movement too much. If you rely more on deer moving through the area then it may get a little slower.
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#5578085 - 02/02/15 09:57 AM Re: High Fence questions [Re: Ricochet83]
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I am surprised they didn't do the CC studies prior to a decision to HF confused2 I guess if you are going to try and manipulate 400 acres, that wont effect a HF decision IDK. What are they going to do with the native deer? from what I gather from STX and a few other fellas here, the gene pool will revert back to the native genetics?

FWIW, I hunted a HF 3 sided 800 acre place near Laredo as a guest once, the deer had figured out where it was safe to "stay" on that place. Hung out in a back corner. Don't know if they would figure that out in just one season.

Be interesting to see what more knowledgeable HF folks have to say.
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#5578089 - 02/02/15 09:59 AM Re: High Fence questions [Re: Ricochet83]
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we have great cover feed year round as well as good natural forbes with 2 large cement water tanks and they will be putting in a large 1-2 acre pond before the fence is complete. little slower next year is not that big of a deal to us as we just enjoy being there but we are pretty amped up of what will be in 4 years or so with the releasing of the breeder bucks.
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#5578092 - 02/02/15 10:01 AM Re: High Fence questions [Re: Ricochet83]
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there has not been a decision made on the native deer 100% yet. They said they may ask us to go in and shoot it all off but they arent sure yet.
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#5578097 - 02/02/15 10:05 AM Re: High Fence questions [Re: Ricochet83]
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From my understanding brought in genetics, and trying to alter genetics(the expression of genetics) is much more plausible in smaller sample sizes because the culling can be much more meticulous. Not saying it will or wont make a difference, but a few of the recent studies posted on here indicated that culling based on antler characteristics worked on smaller contained(HF) properties where it didn't appear to work on very large properties or low fence properties.

Just my take from a little reading and it seems to make sense.
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#5578107 - 02/02/15 10:13 AM Re: High Fence questions [Re: Ricochet83]
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The results you will see in the next 4 years will vary greatly depending on the decisions that are made concerning the introduced deer. Simply adding a few genetically superior deer into a native herd isn't going to make any great difference in the genetic make up of the herd. Killing off most the native herd and dealing with introduced genetics will make a big difference in the overall quality.

Simply adding the HF isn't going to make the deer all of a sudden bigger in 4 years, but it does allow a more precise and controlled management plan possible, which you could see an improvement in the antler size within the 4 year period if the management is direct and focused.

I don't think you will see any drastic changes in the hunting while the fence is going up.

Good luck. Should be an interesting change up
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#5578116 - 02/02/15 10:21 AM Re: High Fence questions [Re: Ricochet83]
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I have seen in many times, if you want better genetics you need to remove ALL of the actual deer.

I have seen people spend to much money and don't get 150's out of a place, even with 200" genetics in it. Bad genes are dominant. The two more common mistakes are not cleaning bad genes and having more deer than you can feed.

If you clean and have enought food or feed protein you can make it happen.


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#5578121 - 02/02/15 10:23 AM Re: High Fence questions [Re: Ricochet83]
ancuegar Offline
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finish the fence and then build a DMP pen and clean out the pasture. quickest way to 200" in my opinion.

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#5578122 - 02/02/15 10:26 AM Re: High Fence questions [Re: Ricochet83]
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Would have to know a lot more to say exactly what the effects might be. Hard to imagine no effect blocking off travel routes on three sides of 416 acres. That's just common sense.
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#5578125 - 02/02/15 10:28 AM Re: High Fence questions [Re: Ricochet83]
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interesting conversation. I do not have experience with HF places, but some good info on here.

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#5578140 - 02/02/15 10:36 AM Re: High Fence questions [Re: Ricochet83]
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I doubt you should have to much trouble with your hunting during the HF construction but I would try and remove as many of the native deer as possible and then you and the landowner decide the type of deer you want to put back on the place such as Northern genetics or Texas genetics..

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#5578154 - 02/02/15 10:42 AM Re: High Fence questions [Re: Ricochet83]
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This property have the LO's cattle on it?

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#5578156 - 02/02/15 10:42 AM Re: High Fence questions [Re: Ricochet83]
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I wish more people would give the native genetics a better shot before they went for imported genetics.
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#5578162 - 02/02/15 10:46 AM Re: High Fence questions [Re: Ricochet83]
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yes there is at any time no more than 25 head of cattle there. They have several properties that they use for cattle and deerhunting however ours will be the first they are going to try this with because in their words we are the only property who went in and shot the kind of animals they were looking to be shot off and were very picking. This year we shot off on decent mature buck as well as 5 spikes 5 does and 2 7's with missing browtines. also we are big on predator control and keeping the hogs in check so they feel management wise we are the ones they want to try this out on.
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