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Re: High Fencing Casualty
[Re: Lipan Creep]
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01/30/15 04:35 PM
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titan2232
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Deer eat cotton
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
[Re: Lipan Creep]
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01/30/15 04:37 PM
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The seeds maybe? Heck IDK
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
[Re: titan2232]
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01/30/15 04:37 PM
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BOBO the Clown
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Deer eat cotton Yelp. Seeds are high in protein. And they will eat new growth
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
[Re: Sneaky]
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01/30/15 04:39 PM
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I wouldn't pay a dime, as a matter of fact I would tell the one who wants to high fence the financial negative impact he will have on you and you will be considering legal action if he does high fence... What legal action? If you can find a lawyer to take the case and a judge to hear it you can sue for anything. I have never filed suit in my life but probably would in this case. I do think you could sue for negative impact of the value of the land if you can prove that the value actually went down. I know you can't tell a guy where to put a fence but I also know that many cases have been won when a neighbor does something to make his neighbor loose money.
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
[Re: BOBO the Clown]
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01/30/15 04:42 PM
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HWY72: "It doesn't make financial sense for most farmers with any sizable acreage to HF. Deer cause little damage compared to hogs, and you can keep the hogs out with a good low fence at half the cost........" BOBO: "You are highly mis-informed. I've experienced up to 30% loss, not including transportation of weed seeds." 30% loss on how much acreage? If you have a large garden and some deer around that can happen. And you're saying if you don't have deer in the field you don't have to spray for weeds??
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
[Re: titan2232]
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01/30/15 04:47 PM
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Deer eat cotton Deer eat the carp out of cotten. Young bolls, I have seen mule deer with mouths full of cotton chewing the seed out of it. I hunted a place in Hartly county years ago and the farmer had a 10 foot fence around his cotton fields.
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
[Re: BOBO the Clown]
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01/30/15 04:58 PM
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Just thinking out-loud... OP was already HF'd off from the cotton grower? why? Now , for some reason, the new outfit wants to also HF their place off, which just happens to be the remaining 3 sides, why?. Also, are they going to HF the remaining property or just the line adjoining the OP?
Just wondering what the motivation would be and if the cotton grower has fenced off other neighbors. Could this be a result of a perceived, lack of management, or over harvest?
Usually 2 sides to every story. May be a reaction to action IDK I'm curious as well. If he's high fenced all the way around, who's land does he go through to get to his? Why did a cotton farmer HF his place? Lots of farmers are HF'ing their crops... There is 1000's of acres in Brady that are HF just to deter deer from thier crops There are also quite a few acres in Runnels county that are high fenced for the same reason, only to keep the deer out of their cotton and grain fields.
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
[Re: Lipan Creep]
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01/30/15 05:00 PM
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BOBO the Clown
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Lol, I have size able acreage. Even then I have heavy loses. I get crop deprivation permits every year and beg for more. Herbicide useage is always higher where I have higher wildlife densities along with fertilizer. I have to much wind and snow for HF or I would. I have he'll just keeping 5' netwire up.
I've got friends that have thousands of acres HF in McCullough county. 100% pure farm land, no trees. Their increase yield paid for the fence.
Economics of a HF aren't has much as you think since its a depricatable improvement. High up front but offsets quickly. On top of that farm land isn't a complex install. You don't have water gaps, etc.
Still BS?
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
[Re: HWY72]
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01/30/15 05:22 PM
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Just thinking out-loud... OP was already HF'd off from the cotton grower? why? Now , for some reason, the new outfit wants to also HF their place off, which just happens to be the remaining 3 sides, why?. Also, are they going to HF the remaining property or just the line adjoining the OP?
Just wondering what the motivation would be and if the cotton grower has fenced off other neighbors. Could this be a result of a perceived, lack of management, or over harvest?
Usually 2 sides to every story. May be a reaction to action IDK I'm curious as well. If he's high fenced all the way around, who's land does he go through to get to his? Why did a cotton farmer HF his place? Lots of farmers are HF'ing their crops... There is 1000's of acres in Brady that are HF just to deter deer from thier crops It doesn't make financial sense for most farmers with any sizable acreage to HF. Deer cause little damage compared to hogs, and you can keep the hogs out with a good low fence at half the cost........ It does to Farmers and Ranchers in the Hill Country also. They have fenced off fields for a long time for livestock grazing only due to high deer populations. They had to just to get a crop for animals to graze. I managed a ranch that had about 70 acres of HF fields just livestock only. They used them to plant corn for silage in the spring and small grains in the fall/winter for grazing.
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
[Re: BOBO the Clown]
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01/30/15 05:23 PM
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Deer eat cotton Yelp. Seeds are high in protein. And they will eat new growth Cotton is a legume plant and it can be planted as a food plot for deer.
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
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01/30/15 05:25 PM
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Last time I checked, the difference in a HF vs LF install is probably close to $2 -$3 a foot. For sizable acreage that's a lot of investment just to keep deer out, even over 7 years. I still don't see how the deer can make that much difference. I guess I'll have to take your word for it, because I don't understand how you fellas do the math on the equipment either. Takes a good tax planner........
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
[Re: HWY72]
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01/30/15 05:28 PM
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Last time I checked, the difference in a HF vs LF install is probably close to $2 -$3 a foot. For sizable acreage that's a lot of investment just to keep deer out, even over 7 years. I still don't see how the deer can make that much difference. I guess I'll have to take your word for it, because I don't understand how you fellas do the math on the equipment either. Takes a good tax planner........ LF is $2/ft and HF is $4/ft more or less on both. I have seen farmers put up a LF net wire fence just to keep hogs out of crops. Ask a Kansas or Iowa farmer how much crop damage a WT or MD can cause. Almost every farmer I talked to up in western Kansas hates deer. Most want them all killed off and gone.
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
[Re: stxranchman]
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01/30/15 05:31 PM
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Deer eat cotton Yelp. Seeds are high in protein. And they will eat new growth Cotton is a legume plant and it can be planted as a food plot for deer. No its not a legume lol
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
[Re: Dustnsand]
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01/30/15 05:36 PM
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Deer eat cotton Yelp. Seeds are high in protein. And they will eat new growth Cotton is a legume plant and it can be planted as a food plot for deer. No its not a legume lol You are correct. I meant legume type plant(as far as protein quality).
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
[Re: stxranchman]
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01/30/15 05:37 PM
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A 5 strand barbed wire is about $2. Field fence is higher depending on vertical and horizontal strands, and quality, basically $3-$4. A 96 to 120" fence will be substantially higher than a 48", not including any dirt or dozer work...
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
[Re: HWY72]
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01/30/15 05:39 PM
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A 5 strand barbed wire is about $2. Field fence is higher depending on vertical and horizontal strands, and quality, basically $3-$4. A 96 to 120" fence will be substantially higher than a 48", not including any dirt or dozer work...
I had a 48" hitensil netwire fence built for $2/ft total(labor and materials). I bought material and paid for the install. For grins I price a HF with me buying materials and it was $4/ft total(labor and materials). Goliad County.
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
[Re: HWY72]
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01/30/15 05:40 PM
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BOBO the Clown
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Last time I checked, the difference in a HF vs LF install is probably close to $2 -$3 a foot. For sizable acreage that's a lot of investment just to keep deer out, even over 7 years. I still don't see how the deer can make that much difference. I guess I'll have to take your word for it, because I don't understand how you fellas do the math on the equipment either. Takes a good tax planner........ Texas WT eats up to 6lbs of food a day. Since the browse figure 3lbs of AG 1 deer= 1095lbs a year 60 deer=64,700lbs 100 deer= 109,500lbs Wether grain or steam that's a lot. Most farmers rotate summer/winter crops So say quarter a year of corn alone for 100 deer is roughly 25,000lbs @ $4 per bushel that's expensive. On winter wheat it gets just as bad since deer will eat stalk to the ground. So on top of lower yields you have higher fertilizer costs just to try to produce a crop
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
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01/30/15 05:45 PM
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Then you have to break it down further since deer can't live by corn alone.
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
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01/30/15 05:47 PM
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Then you have to break it down further since deer can't live by corn alone. He did. He also did not include the damaged crop knocked to the ground and not able to be harvested
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
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01/30/15 05:48 PM
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A 5 strand barbed wire is about $2. Field fence is higher depending on vertical and horizontal strands, and quality, basically $3-$4. A 96 to 120" fence will be substantially higher than a 48", not including any dirt or dozer work...
I had a 48" hitensil netwire fence built for $2/ft total(labor and materials). I bought material and paid for the install. For grins I price a HF with me buying materials and it was $4/ft total(labor and materials). Goliad County. Send me the guys number! I paid +- $1 per foot labor on a 6 strand BW. The materials were +-$1 2 years ago. Statite 1348 + 1 strand of BW on top would have been closer to $3.
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
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01/30/15 05:52 PM
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Deer eat cotton They love the blooms.
Yes! A Weatherby does kill them deader.
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
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01/30/15 05:52 PM
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Then you have to break it down further since deer can't live by corn alone. He did Split the half in half, might keep it close for pivot acreage.
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
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Last time I checked, the difference in a HF vs LF install is probably close to $2 -$3 a foot. For sizable acreage that's a lot of investment just to keep deer out, even over 7 years. I still don't see how the deer can make that much difference. I guess I'll have to take your word for it, because I don't understand how you fellas do the math on the equipment either. Takes a good tax planner........ Texas WT eats up to 6lbs of food a day. Since the browse figure 3lbs of AG 1 deer= 1095lbs a year 60 deer=64,700lbs 100 deer= 109,500lbs Wether grain or steam that's a lot. Most farmers rotate summer/winter crops So say quarter a year of corn alone for 100 deer is roughly 25,000lbs @ $4 per bushel that's expensive. On winter wheat it gets just as bad since deer will eat stalk to the ground. So on top of lower yields you have higher fertilizer costs just to try to produce a crop I don't know how many lbs to a bushel, or how many bushels to an acre, but based on your 30% loss you have 100 deer grazing in a field that's producing 365,000 lbs..............seems like a very high deer population.
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
[Re: HWY72]
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01/30/15 05:59 PM
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A 5 strand barbed wire is about $2. Field fence is higher depending on vertical and horizontal strands, and quality, basically $3-$4. A 96 to 120" fence will be substantially higher than a 48", not including any dirt or dozer work...
I had a 48" hitensil netwire fence built for $2/ft total(labor and materials). I bought material and paid for the install. For grins I price a HF with me buying materials and it was $4/ft total(labor and materials). Goliad County. Send me the guys number! I paid +- $1 per foot labor on a 6 strand BW. The materials were +-$1 2 years ago. Statite 1348 + 1 strand of BW on top would have been closer to $3. I paid .75/ft labor plus $40/corner post( 36 corner post with 5 post turn corners, 3 post end corners and 2 post pull braces every quarter mile I had a lot of breaks in 6100' of fence). I bought 8"top x 10' cedar corner posts for $35. T-post were heavy 1.33 6.5' for $4.67 on 15' centers. 660' rolls of Staytuff ST 949-24-660 for $290/roll. Gaucho 4pt barb on top, brace pipes and extra clips where extra.
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Re: High Fencing Casualty
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01/30/15 06:00 PM
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