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Re: 800 acres, low fence hill country......advice [Re: mmlreiner] #5569826 01/28/15 11:21 PM
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hang on lemme look at the map lol.

Re: 800 acres, low fence hill country......advice [Re: mmlreiner] #5569827 01/28/15 11:21 PM
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Nope. Off of Bandera hwy

Re: 800 acres, low fence hill country......advice [Re: mmlreiner] #5569829 01/28/15 11:22 PM
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wait, just looked again and yes, it is (173 is bandera hwy) Don are you my hippie next door lol?

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Re: 800 acres, low fence hill country......advice [Re: mmlreiner] #5569879 01/28/15 11:59 PM
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The genetics are there in that area, you just have a tough hill to climb with your habitat. That ranch will not support high deer numbers with all the browse cleared out from what I can see in that one pic. Is there any livestock on the place?


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Re: 800 acres, low fence hill country......advice [Re: mmlreiner] #5569884 01/29/15 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted By: mmlreiner
wait, just looked again and yes, it is (173 is bandera hwy) Don are you my hippie next door lol?
No, and I don't even like hippies. If it is the place it was a lucky guess. It looks just like the place right before you get into Kerrville. One side fronts 173.One side stops at a fancy subdivision or the coastal field right before it. A lot of BB on the place. Very seldom see WT unless they are after does. It may not be the place you are looking at. Regardless it is your decision on what to do.

Re: 800 acres, low fence hill country......advice [Re: mmlreiner] #5569895 01/29/15 12:03 AM
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No no livestock. So you think adding the protein won't help? I wonder if I added a food plot, but in kerr county I see that as a harder thing to accomplish.

Re: 800 acres, low fence hill country......advice [Re: mmlreiner] #5569903 01/29/15 12:06 AM
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I like hippies. They keep their grass super green lol.

Re: 800 acres, low fence hill country......advice [Re: mmlreiner] #5569914 01/29/15 12:10 AM
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I would opt to spend my money on planting native forb plants with seeds from Turner Seed Company out of Breckenridge. You can plant a lot of seed for what you will spend on feeders and protein. Might talk to your TPWD biologist and the NRCS agent and see if they could do a prescribed burn then plant the seeds. The NRCS agent might have some better sources for reseed from forb plants that will produce a taproot like most legume plants. They will produce year in and year out with normal rainfall. You can try to do this every year and it will increase the forage base. If the landowner is on board with the idea he might split the cost with you. A lot of these forb plants will also produce flowers during the spring/summer to add some appeal to the landowner from an ascetic point of view. Seeding x amount of acres in various locations will also produce seed sources that birds can move around or rainfall can wash downhill into new areas to seed on it own.


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Re: 800 acres, low fence hill country......advice [Re: mmlreiner] #5569915 01/29/15 12:10 AM
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And the bb roam all over this area actually. They're in the park, then on this land, then on the neighbors, then back again. You may be seeing the neighbors place, at least thats what it sounds like but you're in the correct general area. This place only has an entrance that faces 173, you cant see the property at all from the roadway.

Re: 800 acres, low fence hill country......advice [Re: stxranchman] #5569927 01/29/15 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted By: stxranchman
I would opt to spend my money on planting native forb plants with seeds from Turner Seed Company out of Breckenridge. You can plant a lot of seed for what you will spend on feeders and protein. Might talk to your TPWD biologist and the NRCS agent and see if they could do a prescribed burn then plant the seeds. The NRCS agent might have some better sources for reseed from forb plants that will produce a taproot like most legume plants. They will produce year in and year out with normal rainfall. You can try to do this every year and it will increase the forage base. If the landowner is on board with the idea he might split the cost with you. A lot of these forb plants will also produce flowers during the spring/summer to add some appeal to the landowner from an ascetic point of view. Seeding x amount of acres in various locations will also produce seed sources that birds can move around or rainfall can wash downhill into new areas to seed on it own.


THIS sounds like a great option.....thanks!! I will ask in the morning, maybe he will like the flowers. He sure has the tractor for the work but I may have to rent the implements to get it in the ground.

Re: 800 acres, low fence hill country......advice [Re: mmlreiner] #5569933 01/29/15 12:20 AM
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If Steve Nelle is still with NRCS as their wildlife habitat specialist then I would ask the local Kerr County office of the NRCS. I would ask them to get him to come to your lease if they can. He is out of San Angelo and loves to help landowners with restoring their native habitat with native plants. He is the best there is with native plants and can tell you what you have to work with, then what he would add.


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Re: 800 acres, low fence hill country......advice [Re: stxranchman] #5569939 01/29/15 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted By: stxranchman
The axis will love you if you start feeding them free choice protein.



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Re: 800 acres, low fence hill country......advice [Re: mmlreiner] #5570030 01/29/15 01:29 AM
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Thanks stxranchman I will give them a shout tomorrow also. I am crossing my fingers the land owner goes for the idea. He did tell me a month ago that if I wanted to add a food plot he was all for it, but he keeps most of the property mowed year round so I am not sure if this will be a no go. We will see!

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Thanks stxranchman I will give them a shout tomorrow also. I am crossing my fingers the land owner goes for the idea. He did tell me a month ago that if I wanted to add a food plot he was all for it, but he keeps most of the property mowed year round so I am not sure if this will be a no go. We will see!

I would suggest planting the edges of the fencelines, roads, drainages and blocks of thicker timber. 30-75' wide strips would work around the edges.


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Re: 800 acres, low fence hill country......advice [Re: mmlreiner] #5570144 01/29/15 02:28 AM
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I have one pasture close to the house, where I see most of my axis, that has one water trough already there. It's approximately 700 yards x 300 yards. It would be the easiest place to attempt this just because I can irrigate it but I will need someone to check the soil. I have another completely fenced area, about the same size, with gate access that I would also like to plant something but I really don't know if I can get water to that area. When I meet with the Biologist tomorrow we will drive around and see what he says. I'd love to plant something in the pasture by the house though. It's suppose to rain off and on this weekend, maybe I will throw out something and see if it roots.

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The guys with the NRCS can give your suggestions of what will grow in that soil type. Those suggestions will all be native plants to that Hill Country area or once where in that area. Also be aware that these native plant seeds are not cheap since most are perennials with some being annuals, so do not take on the much area at one time. Several smaller locations would be a start for this year.


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cheers
awesome, I owe you a drink for all the helpful information.

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cheers
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I hope it helps you out. cheers


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Re: 800 acres, low fence hill country......advice [Re: mmlreiner] #5570226 01/29/15 03:19 AM
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Back in about 1970 I was going to a National guard meeting in Kerrville. Across the road from that area where you are talking about there was the only double drop tine Buck I have ever seen in this area dead beside the road. I did not have a knife with me to cut off the head and that afternoon when I was returning to Bandera someone else had take the head. A really great looking deer.

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I did shoot my first buck with a kicker....that was the 126". He is the second largest buck I have ever shot. I am however, extremely excited to take my first trophy axis. I am certain it will happen on this property. I could care less about the bb. Theyre all annoying and seriously stinky. Smell like old goats.

Re: 800 acres, low fence hill country......advice [Re: mmlreiner] #5570298 01/29/15 04:04 AM
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Originally Posted By: mmlreiner

That's way to open to have massive numbers of deer. I'm sure they're around, but on a brushier area. They tend to use the open areas at night. Be careful to not shoot too many deer without getting a density survey.


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Re: 800 acres, low fence hill country......advice [Re: mmlreiner] #5570331 01/29/15 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted By: mmlreiner
also, the hippie neighbors land looks the same way, all the way around her house and from there there isn't much difference in the way the land is. Just clear cut land and millionaire homes. All the cover is in the park. I can't see 2 feet into the cedar thicket.
Looking at the pic, you're deer don't have anything to eat. The browse line looks like giraffes are on the property. To some it looks pretty. To a deer it looks like a barren wasteland, unfortunately.


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In addition to stxrancman's suggestions I would ask about fertilizing any mast trees on the property. I would also find out if there are any area's the landowner doesn't like to mow. He might be amicable to some bushier habitat in those areas. I would also check into forbs that are compatible with the Landowners mowing habits.


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We've discussed those Hill Country places that have been cleared of the cedar before. This is supposedly the way the Hill Country was before the European came, but it supported bison and antelope, not deer. It's good for grazing animals but for forb and browse eaters -- not so much.


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Cedar clearing in and of itself is a good thing. The problem looks to be that they cleared all of the underbrush (elbowbush, persimmon, etc) also. This looks like it was recently done. Over time, brush will return. Let it grow and hopefully rain will once again come to the area.


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