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Re: Ideal Red Sheep [Re: Kobus] #5565163 01/26/15 03:57 PM
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*phew*
That's a relief. smile

Re: Ideal Red Sheep [Re: sparrish8] #5565241 01/26/15 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted By: sparrish8
[quote=Bowman24]From all the research that we have done it's somewhat the opposite. Being an Armenian Mouflon (which has the more "halo" arched back frame) and Urial Hybrid, the ones that Elk Hunter posted is the Classic Red Sheep look. We visited with the Hunting Consortium about their Red Sheep in Iran and this is the Classic look. Go to their website and see Jim Shockey's Ram, it's the exact form of Elk Hunters photos. They told me the ones with the more Mouflon characteristics are from Texan's crossing European Mouflon with Red Sheep and sometimes Urials.
TonyinVA is definitely more of an Afghan type which is also a cross.

Re: Ideal Red Sheep [Re: nsmike] #5565536 01/26/15 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted By: nsmike
I don't get the argument Red Sheep are a cross with various degrees of intergrade. Even in Iran they vary and tend more towards Armenian Mouflon closer to their range and more towards Urial closer to their range. They're all Red Sheep you just have to decide which look you like. I do think that; it's one animal that that you really need to see pictures of before the hunt.


x2 this is correct

Re: Ideal Red Sheep [Re: DustyWyoming] #5565543 01/26/15 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted By: sparrish8
[quote=Bowman24]From all the research that we have done it's somewhat the opposite. Being an Armenian Mouflon (which has the more "halo" arched back frame) and Urial Hybrid, the ones that Elk Hunter posted is the Classic Red Sheep look. We visited with the Hunting Consortium about their Red Sheep in Iran and this is the Classic look. Go to their website and see Jim Shockey's Ram, it's the exact form of Elk Hunters photos. They told me the ones with the more Mouflon characteristics are from Texan's crossing European Mouflon with Red Sheep and sometimes Urials.
TonyinVA is definitely more of an Afghan type which is also a cross.





I happen to know the pedigree of this particular ram...it's Transcaspian Urial Ram x Red sheep Ewe ..No Afghan Urial in the pedigree

Re: Ideal Red Sheep [Re: TonyinVA] #5565553 01/26/15 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted By: TonyinVA
Just to add to the discussion (not a debate) ...This is a picture of the Red Sheep at the White Elk Ranch in Nebraska. According to Tad Pucket (the owner) these are Transcaspian Urial and Armenian Mouflon Crosses. The White Elk Ranch raises and hunts both Transcaspian Urial and Armenian Mouflon sheep. So if we take him at his word, this is what a Red sheep "can" look like.






You can clearly see the transcapian as the dominant trait here

Re: Ideal Red Sheep [Re: Kobus] #5565707 01/26/15 08:43 PM
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I agree. The ewes are also showing Transcaspian traits too.

Re: Ideal Red Sheep [Re: Kobus] #5566269 01/27/15 01:58 AM
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This one fit my bill of a Red Sheep


This fit my bill for a mouflon


This fit my bill of an Armenian Mouflon


This fit my bill for an Afghan Urial



This fit my bill of a Transcaspian Urial


Argue all you want... I'm happy, happy, happy


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Re: Ideal Red Sheep [Re: Kobus] #5566669 01/27/15 05:51 AM
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Quite the collectiin, i bet your wall looks great!

Re: Ideal Red Sheep [Re: Kobus] #5567219 01/27/15 05:21 PM
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I think someone likes to hunt sheep.....

Re: Ideal Red Sheep [Re: Kobus] #5567645 01/27/15 09:19 PM
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That's an awesome collection of sheep! smile

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