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#5558350 - 01/22/15 02:14 PM lead sleds shooting rest?
USMCatfish Offline
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I was hoping for some info on shooting rest. I was looking at the Caldwell DFT or the Lead Sled Plus. I know nothing about any of them and would take recommendations. It would be mainly used for rifles of various calibers.

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#5558386 - 01/22/15 02:32 PM Re: lead sleds shooting rest? [Re: USMCatfish]
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I would not recommend them. I would get a good set of sand bags an use them in the front and back. Shooting with a led sled and then shooting normally will be different.

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#5558403 - 01/22/15 02:42 PM Re: lead sleds shooting rest? [Re: USMCatfish]
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I have a lead sled plus and love it. I shoot a 375 h&h and there is no appreciable felt recoil. I would buy mine again in a heartbeat.

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#5558412 - 01/22/15 02:45 PM Re: lead sleds shooting rest? [Re: USMCatfish]
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I use a Caldwell when sighting in the rifle.
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#5558424 - 01/22/15 02:51 PM Re: lead sleds shooting rest? [Re: USMCatfish]
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Rifles can shoot different in them versus out of them. Get better form and they are not needed.
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#5558433 - 01/22/15 02:55 PM Re: lead sleds shooting rest? [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Rifles can shoot different in them versus out of them. Get better form and they are not needed.


This is my take on it. You are changing a lot of variables between the sled and having the gun held by a human.
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#5558475 - 01/22/15 03:15 PM Re: lead sleds shooting rest? [Re: QuitShootinYoungBucks]
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My brother has a lead sled and uses it often when he comes over to shoot. I don't bother with one. More than one rifle editor has written that the sleds--because they don't "give" with the recoil--can crack your wood stock from the recoil mortise back to the tang, especially in heavy-recoiling rifles or guns that are shot frequently.

Instead, I prefer to use my regular shooting rests with a sissy pad like a PAST harnessed to my shoulder when I shoot the big boomers.
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#5558546 - 01/22/15 03:43 PM Re: lead sleds shooting rest? [Re: USMCatfish]
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Prone, bipod, load the bipod, makes the recoil have to travel through your whole body. Shooting from a bench you basically have a hinge at your hips allowing your torso to be pushed back = more felt recoil.

Prone isn't for everyone, though, I get that and have seen it.
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#5558598 - 01/22/15 04:11 PM Re: lead sleds shooting rest? [Re: USMCatfish]
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I have one and consider it a must anytime you want to lessen or eliminate the chance of human error. I let one of my rifles slip off a tree and fall squarely on the top of the scope last season. I used the lead sled to later check it and found it shooting eight inches high. However, after readjustment, I found the rifle was still producing tight groups without a problem.

They can also be useful in comparing different brands of ammo, again because it eliminates human error.
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#5558634 - 01/22/15 04:31 PM Re: lead sleds shooting rest? [Re: dawaba]
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Originally Posted By: dawaba
My brother has a lead sled and uses it often when he comes over to shoot. I don't bother with one. More than one rifle editor has written that the sleds--because they don't "give" with the recoil--can crack your wood stock from the recoil mortise back to the tang, especially in heavy-recoiling rifles or guns that are shot frequently.

Instead, I prefer to use my regular shooting rests with a sissy pad like a PAST harnessed to my shoulder when I shoot the big boomers.


This gets my vote, I have heard the same thing. When I was shooting 1000yrd F-Class open with my 14lb 7mmWSM, I would shoot 60-100 rounds throughout the match. I have a Vais brake which is WONDERFULLY effective but NRA rules do not allow muzzle brakes, SO, being a wussy, I used the PAST harness and it worked perfect, also simply a folded towel, binky or a soft sand bad was used, as long as it could absorb recoil without the abrupt stop of the led sled. I have used one (led sled) before and TO ME it was terribly awkward. But this is just me.
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#5559125 - 01/22/15 08:13 PM Re: lead sleds shooting rest? [Re: USMCatfish]
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I use one when working up a load for heavier recoiling rifles. 3 shot strings and 15-20 rounds per powder/bullet combo and spending an entire day at the range. The sled helps narrow things down relatively painlessly.
Once I have a 'node' or a couple of decent groups, I can dial in the exact load via my shoulder.
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#5559141 - 01/22/15 08:20 PM Re: lead sleds shooting rest? [Re: USMCatfish]
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I am not arguing for or against just curious. Does a lead sled or other device change the point of impact? If sighted in using one then going to prone, sandbags, bullbags whatever, will the actual POI be different? How can that be? FWIW I use bags or a bipod
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#5559170 - 01/22/15 08:33 PM Re: lead sleds shooting rest? [Re: USMCatfish]
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The lead sled is assumed to be more of a solid resistance than the human shoulder would be. It is also assumed there is enough difference to affect the rifle's movement in the mili-second between the ignition of the powder and the bullet clearing the end of the barrel. An expert marksman may be able to tell a difference in the point of impact between the sled and the shoulder. Those like me who are not that great of a shot can't. I have a sled, but don't use it because I need all the practice I can get.

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#5559178 - 01/22/15 08:38 PM Re: lead sleds shooting rest? [Re: USMCatfish]
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They're nice to take recoil out of magnums like 300 WSM I had. And yes they will crack the stock on heavy hitting calibers. It cracked my browning at the safety. I still use it on occasion but a bipod and bags are much better.
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#5559233 - 01/22/15 09:07 PM Re: lead sleds shooting rest? [Re: hermano W]
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Originally Posted By: hermano W
Those like me who are not that great of a shot can't. I have a sled, but don't use it because I need all the practice I can get.


I like to say that my lead sled takes my shooting skills out of the equation to test the accuracy of the rifle and ammo. Once I know what the rifle and ammo can do, it's time to set the lead sled aside and see how well I can do without it.
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