texashuntingforum.com logo
Main Menu
Advertisement
Affiliates
Advertisement
Newest Members
nmmuledeerhunter, Dzia-Dzia, TraeMartin, Beatixre, MooseSteed
71989 Registered Users
Top Posters(All Time)
dogcatcher 110,788
bill oxner 91,416
SnakeWrangler 65,417
stxranchman 60,296
Gravytrain 46,950
RKHarm24 44,585
rifleman 44,461
Stub 43,769
Forum Statistics
Forums46
Topics537,039
Posts9,719,701
Members86,989
Most Online25,604
Feb 12th, 2024
Print Thread
Page 7 of 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
Re: What Is Wrong With People These Days. [Re: HWY72] #5597432 02/13/15 02:00 PM
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 7,179
T
therancher Offline
THF Trophy Hunter
Offline
THF Trophy Hunter
T
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 7,179
Originally Posted By: HWY72
Quote:

Yeah. I can't convince anyone who doesn't want to listen. Which is probably a good thing for me. In order:
1. Amount you can borrow.
2. Knowing current land values.
3. Purchase price.
4. Knowing and doing what makes the land more valuable.
5. Timing.

As long as you can do the first four good. You can make timing irrelevant. Because doing those first four right allows you to outlast a few years of bear market.

Perfect example. I bought my zavala co ranch in 06 for 1500/ acre. Timing was great for the first couple of years, land around me was selling for 2200/acre in 2007. Then 2008 came, in 2009 the ranch next to me sold for 1200/acre. Last month a similar ranch near me sold for over 3800/acre.

Timing is irrelevant if you are an average dummy.

You either "can", or you "can't".



Rancher,

I'm a little curious about your 1st purchase when you got started in 96. Can you give any info?


Saved a down payment and bought 737 acres of raw land with a shared water well in northeastern val verde co. Cheap. AFTER researching land values for 2 years. Kept it a few years, let the deer get big, took pics of them and sold it for 2.5 times the purchase price.

Borrowed as much as possible and used 30 year notes.

Pretty much all my ranch deals are done similarly using 1031 exchanges to grow net worth and keep payments low.

I highly recommend making money off bank money.

Last edited by therancher; 02/13/15 02:03 PM.

Crotchety old bastidge
Re: What Is Wrong With People These Days. [Re: Rodney123] #5597447 02/13/15 02:08 PM
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 590
H
HWY72 Offline
Tracker
Offline
Tracker
H
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 590
Good info Rancher. Thanks! I was just curious because I recall interest rates being high back then.....

Re: What Is Wrong With People These Days. [Re: therancher] #5597547 02/13/15 02:57 PM
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 60,296
S
stxranchman Offline
Obie Juan Kenobi
Offline
Obie Juan Kenobi
S
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 60,296
Originally Posted By: therancher
Originally Posted By: HWY72
Quote:

Yeah. I can't convince anyone who doesn't want to listen. Which is probably a good thing for me. In order:
1. Amount you can borrow.
2. Knowing current land values.
3. Purchase price.
4. Knowing and doing what makes the land more valuable.
5. Timing.

As long as you can do the first four good. You can make timing irrelevant. Because doing those first four right allows you to outlast a few years of bear market.

Perfect example. I bought my zavala co ranch in 06 for 1500/ acre. Timing was great for the first couple of years, land around me was selling for 2200/acre in 2007. Then 2008 came, in 2009 the ranch next to me sold for 1200/acre. Last month a similar ranch near me sold for over 3800/acre.

Timing is irrelevant if you are an average dummy.

You either "can", or you "can't".



Rancher,

I'm a little curious about your 1st purchase when you got started in 96. Can you give any info?


Saved a down payment and bought 737 acres of raw land with a shared water well in northeastern val verde co. Cheap. AFTER researching land values for 2 years. Kept it a few years, let the deer get big, took pics of them and sold it for 2.5 times the purchase price.

Borrowed as much as possible and used 30 year notes.

Pretty much all my ranch deals are done similarly using 1031 exchanges to grow net worth and keep payments low.

I highly recommend making money off bank money.

Was this one of the pastures in the Singer Ranch where you had to go down the CR with a ton of bump gates to get to ranch?


Are idiots multiplying faster than normal people?[Linked Image]
Re: What Is Wrong With People These Days. [Re: stxranchman] #5597624 02/13/15 03:50 PM
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 7,179
T
therancher Offline
THF Trophy Hunter
Offline
THF Trophy Hunter
T
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 7,179
Whitehead property. 5 miles down Dolan Creek road.


Crotchety old bastidge
Re: What Is Wrong With People These Days. [Re: therancher] #5597656 02/13/15 04:07 PM
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 31,782
T
txtrophy85 Online Content
THF Celebrity
Online Content
THF Celebrity
T
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 31,782
Originally Posted By: therancher
Whitehead property. 5 miles down Dolan Creek road.


That's rough country up that away

In 96' what did that country trade for? $200/ acre?


For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
Re: What Is Wrong With People These Days. [Re: Rodney123] #5598651 02/14/15 03:36 AM
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 353
T
TexasLandAgent Offline
Bird Dog
Offline
Bird Dog
T
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 353
Whitehead Ranch is 10 miles from Devils River. That area got real hot about 15 years ago. Flipping that acreage was a fortunate ending to a dice roll.

Re: What Is Wrong With People These Days. [Re: Rodney123] #5601171 02/16/15 01:56 AM
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 6,001
tlk Online Happy
THF Trophy Hunter
Online Happy
THF Trophy Hunter
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 6,001
You know this is a duplicate of about ten different threads on the same topic. If it cost more than you can afford to lease property then I understand the frustration. But there is zero difference in buying a lease versus
a car, a house, or anything else for that matter. In all cases, the market determines the price. But there were people who could not afford a deer lease 20-30 years ago when the price was one tenth of what it is today.

Texas also has loads of public land that can be hunted for little of nothing. So all the whining over lease prices being too high gets really old. If you really want a nice place to hunt and the market calls for more than you have, either get another job and lease a place or go hunt public land. It is really as simple as that.

Sorry for the rant but welcome to the real world

Last edited by tlk; 02/16/15 02:08 AM.

You can't fix stupid
Re: What Is Wrong With People These Days. [Re: Rodney123] #5602288 02/16/15 06:47 PM
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,670
B
bp3 Offline
Pro Tracker
Offline
Pro Tracker
B
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,670
What's wrong with people, very easy to answer they have more money than brains. hammer

Re: What Is Wrong With People These Days. [Re: tlk] #5602629 02/16/15 09:15 PM
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 7,179
T
therancher Offline
THF Trophy Hunter
Offline
THF Trophy Hunter
T
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 7,179
Originally Posted By: tlk
You know this is a duplicate of about ten different threads on the same topic. If it cost more than you can afford to lease property then I understand the frustration. But there is zero difference in buying a lease versus
a car, a house, or anything else for that matter. In all cases, the market determines the price. But there were people who could not afford a deer lease 20-30 years ago when the price was one tenth of what it is today.

Texas also has loads of public land that can be hunted for little of nothing. So all the whining over lease prices being too high gets really old. If you really want a nice place to hunt and the market calls for more than you have, either get another job and lease a place or go hunt public land. It is really as simple as that.

Sorry for the rant but welcome to the real world


X2.

Also, what I can't understand is that people will whine about not being able to afford to hunt, when free hunts are given by private landowners all the time. And cheap package meat hunts are STILL DIRT CHEAP.

The only thing I'm left to believe is that these folks are one or a combination of the following:
1. too lazy to get off their duffs to help a landowner who would comp does and culls.
2. want opportunities at high dollar deer for NOTHING. and that typically (and rightly) just aint happening.
3. such poor money managers that they can't save enough for a lease or a cheap meat package hunt.
4. so satisfied with mediocrity and unmotivated that they won't go out and earn $70,000/year (a one legged blind man can drive a sand truck for 70,000/year). Oh yeah, and anyone earning 70 grand a year can afford a lease or a meat hunt.
Drum roll......
and NUMBER 5: (the most likely reason of all and actually could be a combination of all the above) They are the hunting world's equivalent of the wallstreet 99%'ers. They view free market success as bad, because they have been taught by our schools and society that everyone deserves a "trophy", regardless of effort.

My apologies in advance if that stings. And I'm willing to listen to why I'm wrong.


Crotchety old bastidge
Re: What Is Wrong With People These Days. [Re: Rodney123] #5602891 02/16/15 11:31 PM
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 14,948
D
don k Offline
THF Celebrity
Offline
THF Celebrity
D
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 14,948
You are right on the money Rancher. I have been selling Bucks for $100 per point and does for $100. A person could shoot 2 eight point Bucks and 3 does for less than $2000. If a person saved less than $40 per week he could be hunting and fill out his tags. But like you said ,they would rather gripe about how the landowner is getting rich off the lease. Oh, and what I loose on each deer I sell at that price I make up in volume. Being independently wealthy has its perks.

Re: What Is Wrong With People These Days. [Re: don k] #5602900 02/16/15 11:35 PM
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 31,782
T
txtrophy85 Online Content
THF Celebrity
Online Content
THF Celebrity
T
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 31,782
Originally Posted By: don k
You are right on the money Rancher. I have been selling Bucks for $100 per point and does for $100. A person could shoot 2 eight point Bucks and 3 does for less than $2000. If a person saved less than $40 per week he could be hunting and fill out his tags. But like you said ,they would rather gripe about how the landowner is getting rich off the lease. Oh, and what I loose on each deer I sell at that price I make up in volume. Being independently wealthy has its perks.



that is cheap cheap. we sell doe hunts for $150 and cull buck hunts for not much more than what you charge

good for you don k


For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
Re: What Is Wrong With People These Days. [Re: Rodney123] #5602906 02/16/15 11:38 PM
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 3,124
P
postoak Offline
Veteran Tracker
Offline
Veteran Tracker
P
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 3,124
don k - I thought you had posted that you were only in the game raising business now. (?)


Re: What Is Wrong With People These Days. [Re: postoak] #5602913 02/16/15 11:42 PM
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 14,948
D
don k Offline
THF Celebrity
Offline
THF Celebrity
D
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 14,948
Originally Posted By: postoak
don k - I thought you had posted that you were only in the game raising business now. (?
I raise Ibex but I also have WT and sometimes Axis that I have to get removed. Also I have both species that jump my so called HF to get in because the living conditions are better here.

Last edited by don k; 02/16/15 11:45 PM.
Re: What Is Wrong With People These Days. [Re: don k] #5602941 02/16/15 11:59 PM
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 7,179
T
therancher Offline
THF Trophy Hunter
Offline
THF Trophy Hunter
T
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 7,179
Originally Posted By: don k
You are right on the money Rancher. I have been selling Bucks for $100 per point and does for $100. A person could shoot 2 eight point Bucks and 3 does for less than $2000. If a person saved less than $40 per week he could be hunting and fill out his tags. But like you said ,they would rather gripe about how the landowner is getting rich off the lease. Oh, and what I loose on each deer I sell at that price I make up in volume. Being independently wealthy has its perks.


I think you and I are "wealthy" in things other than dinero. And we've never been "entitiled".


Crotchety old bastidge
Re: What Is Wrong With People These Days. [Re: Rodney123] #5603163 02/17/15 01:21 AM
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 94
S
spitfire Offline
Outdoorsman
Offline
Outdoorsman
S
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 94
I've had a good laugh reading this thread. I sure hope no one takes any of this expert commentary seriously.

Re: What Is Wrong With People These Days. [Re: Rodney123] #5603351 02/17/15 02:21 AM
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 411
E
esnow74 Offline
Bird Dog
Offline
Bird Dog
E
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 411
I have 2 daughters and agreed to my wife not working full time for most of our 20 years of marriage. That being said I never could by a decent sized piece of land but mostly due to not managing my money properly early in life. Lease prices have gone up over the years but I don't complain, supply and demand coupled with the chance of some jack wagon trashing your property. What I need to know as a semi-city dweller and golf course superintendent, how do I find ranches that will let me trade sweat equity for culls and does? I've tried reaching out to some just to help out with nothing in return but just because I love being in the outdoors.
confused2

To those that did all the right things and ended up with their own land, I say good for you.
up

Re: What Is Wrong With People These Days. [Re: esnow74] #5603412 02/17/15 02:43 AM
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 7,179
T
therancher Offline
THF Trophy Hunter
Offline
THF Trophy Hunter
T
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 7,179
People who come help build fence, put in food plots, feed etc, (my friends and kids friends)
hunt on my places. I don't know folks who won't let them shoot pigs does culls.


Just keep helping out. Sooner or later you'll find a rancher that appreciates it.


Crotchety old bastidge
Re: What Is Wrong With People These Days. [Re: therancher] #5603858 02/17/15 01:09 PM
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 14,948
D
don k Offline
THF Celebrity
Offline
THF Celebrity
D
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 14,948
Originally Posted By: therancher
Originally Posted By: don k
You are right on the money Rancher. I have been selling Bucks for $100 per point and does for $100. A person could shoot 2 eight point Bucks and 3 does for less than $2000. If a person saved less than $40 per week he could be hunting and fill out his tags. But like you said ,they would rather gripe about how the landowner is getting rich off the lease. Oh, and what I loose on each deer I sell at that price I make up in volume. Being independently wealthy has its perks.


I think you and I are "wealthy" in things other than dinero. And we've never been "entitiled".
Very true Rancher. I sleep good at night. I don't owe anybody any money. I get to get on some people nerves on here because it is safer than getting on my wifes. I don't charge much for hunting Deer for a couple of reasons. If I don't charge much I don't have to try hard to get hunters. Second and probably the most important to me is. If I don't charge much the hunter can't expect much. Nobody gripes on what was taken. And the only thing I am entitled to is my opinion.

Page 7 of 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread

© 2004-2024 OUTDOOR SITES NETWORK all rights reserved USA and Worldwide
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3