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Best Typical Whitetail of 2015 Award
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01/18/15 07:39 PM
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Thought you all might enjoy these photos...Frac-Daddy and Pump-Jack are 3 year old womb twin brothers. Last night at the Deer Breeders Banquet, Pump-Jack won the coveted Typical Golden Buck Award for 2015. He's the Wide 8x7 typical. Although Frac-Daddy out-scores him and has 6 tines 14"+, Pump-Jack's look is where our industry is headed right now. Thanks...Lance cavemanlance@gmail.com
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Re: Best Typical Whitetail of 2015 Award
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01/18/15 08:30 PM
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Caveman, Impressive looking deer. But how do the Deer Breeders Association score these deer so that they are considered "typical." Are they just looking at the mainframe and ignoring all the splits and flyers? just curious.
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Re: Best Typical Whitetail of 2015 Award
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01/18/15 08:45 PM
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When the typicals are scored it's just on the gross main frame (no abnormal points are credited) and they can only have a limited number of abnormal points to qualify for the typical division for TDA. (I think it's no more than 10%). I'm not real sure on this one. It's Boone and Crockett gross typical score. I do know that Frac-Daddy had a typical main frame of over 250"+ but his overall gross was 320"+ so he did not qualify in the TDA typical division.
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Re: Best Typical Whitetail of 2015 Award
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01/18/15 09:09 PM
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Re: Best Typical Whitetail of 2015 Award
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01/18/15 09:21 PM
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Beautiful deer, probably the nicest 300" deer ive seen, no trash
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Re: Best Typical Whitetail of 2015 Award
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01/18/15 10:30 PM
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I'll second that wow and throw in a Holey Moley
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Re: Best Typical Whitetail of 2015 Award
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01/18/15 11:20 PM
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Amazing deer in an unnatural way!
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Re: Best Typical Whitetail of 2015 Award
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01/18/15 11:49 PM
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How did you come up with those oilfield names ?
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Re: Best Typical Whitetail of 2015 Award
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01/19/15 01:01 AM
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So Lance....these are the cut offs or drops...right? 3 year olds should be better at 4 or 5.
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Re: Best Typical Whitetail of 2015 Award
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01/19/15 01:06 AM
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gotta be fakes.......come on....really??? dang those are HUGE, usually breeders think they have done good with a 200" deer....these are true freaks Popeye deer eatin spinach
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Re: Best Typical Whitetail of 2015 Award
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01/19/15 01:33 AM
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So Lance....these are the cut offs or drops...right? 3 year olds should be better at 4 or 5. My thought too. I know breeders do their best to get deer as big as possible, as quick as possible. A "time is money" situation. 3 years old or 6 years old, I am impressed.
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Re: Best Typical Whitetail of 2015 Award
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01/19/15 02:08 AM
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Re: Best Typical Whitetail of 2015 Award
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01/19/15 03:21 AM
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I'm waiting on the Marco Polo Mouflon.
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Re: Best Typical Whitetail of 2015 Award
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01/19/15 03:49 AM
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I REAAAALLLLYYYY like that second one. WOW!
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Re: Best Typical Whitetail of 2015 Award
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01/19/15 03:51 AM
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Wow! Producing one of these is quite an accomplishment, but womb twin brothers? Amazing!! I hope that doe that produced them is living in a Palace....and has several daughters!!! Thanks for posting these pix! Magnificent! Diane
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Re: Best Typical Whitetail of 2015 Award
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01/19/15 05:23 PM
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Wow! Producing one of these is quite an accomplishment, but womb twin brothers? Amazing!! I hope that doe that produced them is living in a Palace....and has several daughters!!! Thanks for posting these pix! Magnificent! Diane X2 Diane nailed it!!!!
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Re: Best Typical Whitetail of 2015 Award
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01/19/15 06:45 PM
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thanks so much for all the comments.
www.cavemanwildlife.comHome of Monster Fallow Deer Plus One of the Largest Pure Nubian Ibex and Transcaspian Urial Herds in the Country
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Re: Best Typical Whitetail of 2015 Award
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01/19/15 11:18 PM
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Very impressive. I'm glad to hear this is the direction the industry is heading. For a while there, it was getting way to non-typical and freakish IMO.
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Re: Best Typical Whitetail of 2015 Award
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01/20/15 04:37 AM
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Number 2 looks better than number 1 to me.
A big clean 6 x 6 is the ultimate dream deer in my mind.
Glad big typicals are a focus instead of the cactus headed freaks.
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Re: Best Typical Whitetail of 2015 Award
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01/20/15 12:40 PM
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Number 2 looks better than number 1 to me.
A big clean 6 x 6 is the ultimate dream deer in my mind.
Glad big typicals are a focus instead of the cactus headed freaks. I've got a few photos I'll post of a low fence main frame 7X7. I had seen the deer 2 times in velvet then he vanished for a month or so the showed back up with a broken left beam. Photos are from a very cold rainy day in SW Texas. Baker
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Re: Best Typical Whitetail of 2015 Award
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01/20/15 02:36 PM
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Re: Best Typical Whitetail of 2015 Award
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01/20/15 04:31 PM
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those are two AWESOME bucks!!!
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Re: Best Typical Whitetail of 2015 Award
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01/20/15 07:26 PM
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Do you tranq and cut/mark the antlers during velvet or is that 100% natural? Monster bucks for sure. And just an fyi, B&C has asked that their scoring not be used on high fence deer. Don't know if that's a request or a warning from them.
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Re: Best Typical Whitetail of 2015 Award
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01/20/15 11:16 PM
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Baker - !!
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Re: Best Typical Whitetail of 2015 Award
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01/20/15 11:38 PM
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Thanks again everyone for the comments...the only time that we put them down is to draw semen and that's done after they loose their velvet. At that time we get their inside spread and main beam length, then cut the antlers off to keep them from getting injured or injuring doe. We then have them scored unofficially by 2 different master Boone & Crockett scorers (who will remain unknown). We don't do anything else to them as stress is the primary concern. They get the same feed as we feed in the pasture and nothing else other than some electrolytes in their water at times in the summer. It's simply genetics. I know 7 Boone and Crockett scorers and they all help us out when asked. We just got lucky with these guys I guess, again, our goal is to raise beautiful, big framed 80-100% South Texas line bucks that are just pretty and not necessarily ones that score the most.
www.cavemanwildlife.comHome of Monster Fallow Deer Plus One of the Largest Pure Nubian Ibex and Transcaspian Urial Herds in the Country
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Re: Best Typical Whitetail of 2015 Award
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01/21/15 03:57 PM
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Re: Best Typical Whitetail of 2015 Award
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01/21/15 06:49 PM
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gotta be fakes.......come on....really??? dang those are HUGE, usually breeders think they have done good with a 200" deer....these are true freaks Popeye deer eatin spinach You are way behind the times. 200" deer are virtually culls in the breeding industry these days.
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Re: Best Typical Whitetail of 2015 Award
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Gorgeous bucks. Thanks for sharing caveman.
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Re: Best Typical Whitetail of 2015 Award
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01/22/15 02:23 PM
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I just can't stop looking at these guys!
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Re: Best Typical Whitetail of 2015 Award
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01/24/15 06:04 PM
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gotta be fakes.......come on....really??? dang those are HUGE, usually breeders think they have done good with a 200" deer....these are true freaks Popeye deer eatin spinach You are way behind the times. 200" deer are virtually culls in the breeding industry these days. They are giants but...
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Re: Best Typical Whitetail of 2015 Award
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01/25/15 03:11 PM
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Re: Best Typical Whitetail of 2015 Award
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01/26/15 05:04 PM
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Nice bucks, How much Texas blood are they?
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Re: Best Typical Whitetail of 2015 Award
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01/31/15 03:37 PM
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The Sire, Express, is roughly 80% South Texas as is the Refuge line of Slingblade give or take, so roughly 80-85% South Texas. We're putting back on our Pure South Texas Berry lines and looking for incredible things. Both bucks are very dark grey with dark antlers which I really like...Thanks...lc
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