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LONG RANGE KILL SHOTS? #5547001 01/16/15 07:04 PM
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So I see guys post that they shoot game at 300, 500, 800+ yards. I have a hard time believing that game drops in its tracks. (A lightning kill) Which seems to indicate the game runs, engorges the muscle with blood and adrenaline, and thus is more gamey than I shoot at 125 yards; that is stone dead before his head hits the ground.
It seems a quick kill equals less stressed meat? Or is it just about the "kill" at 400+?

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there was a video on youtube of a kid shooting an elk at 800 or more and it dropped,rolled

I have a buddy that shot deer at 60 yds with 30-06 and deer ran across fence, 3X

all depends on the indian

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I eat venison from about 10-15 different deer a year, and personally I don't find there to be much difference whether they be buck, doe, young, old, shot at 10 yards or shot at 1000.


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Re: LONG RANGE KILL SHOTS? [Re: Huntmaster] #5547160 01/16/15 08:46 PM
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Whether they drop or run has to do with shot placement, bullet construction, and impact velocity. Hit them in the spine, and they drop, regardless of distance. Fragmenting bullets, like Bergers, also have a tendency to drop them even when shot in the vitals. These bullets also tend to perform better at distance. If you're going to demonize long distance hunting, there are much better arguments to go with.

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If deer don't taste different-your taste buds must be off. There's a reason a bull goes to hamburger and not to the fine steak table. As to the clean, quick, kill-I'm just thinking a deer that runs and fills those quads and muscles with blood(like pumping up at the gym) he or she might be more gamey. Slaughter houses kill the animal quickly and get the blood out fast.

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Originally Posted By: Huntmaster
Or is it just about the "kill" at 400+?


Dang right!

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I bleed all my game meat out in a ice chest before processing. Never noticed any difference if they drop or run.


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Originally Posted By: Sneaky
If you're going to demonize long distance hunting, there are much better arguments to go with.


agreed

I am guilty of stoking the fire

but I do get tired of hearing about what's right / wrong on distance

do whatever you're capable of, only you can tell yourself what's right

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Originally Posted By: Drop Tine
I bleed all my game meat out in a ice chest before processing. Never noticed any difference if they drop or run.

Don't stir that pot, everyone knows bleeding meat out does nothing......

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Originally Posted By: Huntmaster
If deer don't taste different-your taste buds must be off. There's a reason a bull goes to hamburger and not to the fine steak table. As to the clean, quick, kill-I'm just thinking a deer that runs and fills those quads and muscles with blood(like pumping up at the gym) he or she might be more gamey. Slaughter houses kill the animal quickly and get the blood out fast.
Well, being that every archery deer not hit in the spine runs it's tail off, should we not archery hunt either?


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Originally Posted By: QuitShootinYoungBucks
Well, being that every archery deer not hit in the spine runs it's tail off, should we not archery hunt either?


good point

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Originally Posted By: Huntmaster
If deer don't taste different-your taste buds must be off. There's a reason a bull goes to hamburger and not to the fine steak table. As to the clean, quick, kill-I'm just thinking a deer that runs and fills those quads and muscles with blood(like pumping up at the gym) he or she might be more gamey. Slaughter houses kill the animal quickly and get the blood out fast.


Okay, so what does that have to do with distance?

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The key to DRT shots is to focus shot placement on the central nervous system.

The question is how far can one reliably make a CNS shot?

For some folks that might be 50 yards, or not at all, and for others it might be 500 yards.

Depends on the person as well as conditions.

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I give my meat away but I haven't noticed a difference in taste due to how far I shot it at

Re: LONG RANGE KILL SHOTS? [Re: Sneaky] #5547717 01/17/15 02:37 AM
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Originally Posted By: Sneaky
Whether they drop or run has to do with shot placement, bullet construction, and impact velocity. Hit them in the spine, and they drop, regardless of distance. Fragmenting bullets, like Bergers, also have a tendency to drop them even when shot in the vitals. These bullets also tend to perform better at distance. If you're going to demonize long distance hunting, there are much better arguments to go with.

This and I'll add some. A lot of people use tougher bullets on short shots to ensure penetration. This means less expansion and a smaller but longer wound channel.

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This thread started out ridiculous and is getting ridiculouser. smile


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I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.


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I agree! If you are so concerned how another person hunts that tells me maybe you should be hunting harder yourself. I may not agree all the time how another person hunts but I don't say much unless it is just plain dangerous. In this day and age I am just happy people are hunting and not being an anti-hunter...

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I shot a antelope at 400+ yards walked 3 steps and dropped. Watch another one shot at 598 yards never took a step. Watched another one shot at 560 dropped in its tracks.
These were all in the same day. All different shooters with different calibers.
7mm,.300 ultra, 308 all in that order. All about skill set and equipment.


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10 out of 10 deer will act differently with the exact same behind the shoulder, heart/lung-be-gone, shot.

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Originally Posted By: rexmitchell
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I bleed all my game meat out in a ice chest before processing. Never noticed any difference if they drop or run.

Don't stir that pot, everyone knows bleeding meat out does nothing......


That's not what our processor said. He loved the fact that ours was on ice changed daily for almost a week.


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I bleed all my game meat out in a ice chest before processing. Never noticed any difference if they drop or run.

Don't stir that pot, everyone knows bleeding meat out does nothing......


That's not what our processor said. He loved the fact that ours was on ice changed daily for almost a week.


I was being sarcastic, I bleed my meat on ice and always have. There is another thread where a forum member basically said everyone that was bleeding their meat was wasting their time.

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Originally Posted By: NewJeep
I shot a antelope at 400+ yards walked 3 steps and dropped. Watch another one shot at 598 yards never took a step. Watched another one shot at 560 dropped in its tracks.
These were all in the same day. All different shooters with different calibers.
7mm,.300 ultra, 308 all in that order. All about skill set and equipment.


They knew what to do, they knew their equipment and their own capabilities. Unfortunately there are a lot more that do not know their "stuff", but in their own mind they do "know" it all. bang


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^^^ Agreed, and you had better not try to enlighten those folk or their tribesmen


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pard, another guy & me ..22 open sights back in the day over 200yrd shot at jackrabbit. pard later went stepped it off. other wise pretty much short range shooter. 2cents flag



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