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#5534823 - 01/11/15 12:34 PM 7mm Elk Bullet
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I am posting this to make sure I don't overlook a possible bullet choice.... the below post on the GMX Hornady is an example of one I had not considered but the 139gr(for 7mm) weight concerns me.

I better add this. This past season bullets used 140gr Berger (not good) 160gr Sierra GK (not bad,no exits)162 SST's (none escaped but took multiple hits and no exits)and lastly 168gr Berger(killed two no exits both ran 400 yards before expiring) All shots were 375-600 yards.

This is the scenario.

You are shooting at an elk from 400 to 600 yards away that is in sparse dark timber across on the next mountain that is in a herd of 20-30 other Bull elk. You shoot the Bull and if lucky it falls or only goes a short distance. This happens most times by the way.
But a couple of behind the shoulder solid hits the elk ran along with 30 others over the mountain and with no exit and no blood trail it makes for long long exhausting searches in tough conditions.

Out of a dozen or so shot this past year all being as described two were never found and of course that's two too many. Maybe the shot's twern't as good as they looked and maybe they recovered??
I was just asked if there was a bullet/load combo I could load for 7mm that might give consistent exits to increase the odds of a better blood trail to follow.
This is a family and before anyone suggests just get a 30/378 with 165gr Barnes etc there are women and children also shooting.
The two rifle used this year a 7mm SAUM Rem model 7 and a 7mm Mag Remington Mountain rifle.
I may try the 150gr Sciroccos as they have them locally and they look like they may be an option if they shoot good.
I admit I tend to avoid Barnes as I normally don't get as good of accuracy.

After a little research on the Scirocco they seem to be quite optimistic on their published BC's so while not a total deal killer that is a strike against them. frown

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#5534852 - 01/11/15 12:41 PM Re: 7mm Elk Bullet [Re: DStroud]
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I killed my elk with a broadside vitals shot from 200 yards. He took four steps and piled up. No exit wound.

That was with a 180 gr. Berger VLD Hunting. Berger says you meed a 1:9" twist to stabilize it. Now my load of 71.2 gr of Retumbo, on properly sized brass, is pushing them @ 3080 out of a 26" barrel.
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#5534903 - 01/11/15 12:55 PM Re: 7mm Elk Bullet [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
I killed my elk with a broadside vitals shot from 200 yards. He took four steps and piled up. No exit wound.

That was with a 180 gr. Berger VLD Hunting. Berger says you meed a 1:9" twist to stabilize it. Now my load of 71.2 gr of Retumbo, on properly sized brass, is pushing them @ 3080 out of a 26" barrel.



Yea I have a feeling not to many folks with much in the field experience shooting elk at those distances(including myself)as the 3 elk I shot this year were all under 125 yards and piled up nicely(all less than 10 yards)... I am using a 280 Remington with 168gr Classic Hunters 2920fps.
I may not find and really don't expect to find the "perfect" bullet but I do want to narrow down to the best solution with a combination good BC good accuracy and deep penetration and that goes hand in hand with weight retention I would think.

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#5535012 - 01/11/15 01:18 PM Re: 7mm Elk Bullet [Re: DStroud]
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For what you described, I would try 160gr Accubonds or 150gr Siroccos. When I was hunting elk with a 7mmSTW the 160gr Partition was my bullet of choice and most likely still would be, but since you are wanting a high BC the ones above are perhaps better options.

The accubond was designed to fly like a Ballistic Tip and on game performance like a partition, from what I have seem they came real close to that.

Have seen 3 bulls killed with Siroccos ranges 200 to 400 yards roughly all exited. Those were 150gr from a 300RUM and exited. The 7mm 150 has a higher sectional density so would expect even better penetration.
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#5535216 - 01/11/15 02:08 PM Re: 7mm Elk Bullet [Re: DStroud]
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I'd feel confident with bergers like FiremanJG mentioned or the two bonded options kmon1 recommend.
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#5535626 - 01/11/15 03:24 PM Re: 7mm Elk Bullet [Re: kmon1]
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Yup the Accubond would be a good one to try. I keep forgetting about it because it is so new. We have live animals to test bullets on, all year, in almost every county.
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#5535690 - 01/11/15 03:41 PM Re: 7mm Elk Bullet [Re: DStroud]
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Hate hogs but they do make for some fantastic bullet test media, pulled pork is pretty good also
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#5535799 - 01/11/15 04:12 PM Re: 7mm Elk Bullet [Re: FiremanJG]
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Of the seven bulls I've taken, three fell to the 7mm RM, two with the 160 NPT and one with the Barnes 140 TTSX. None of the elk required tracking; two stood in typical stricken fashion before falling over on their noses, and one was bedded and didn't arise. Of course a blood trail wasn't necessary, but all the bullets exited, IIRC.

In fact, all seven elk died within twenty yards, and the farthest shot was only 285 yards. My bullet choice for all elk hunting in North America would be the Nosler PT in the appropriate weight in whatever cartridge you choose. But I will say that I took my Roosevelt bull with the 165 AB out of the .300 WM, to my complete satisfaction.

I'm betting a partition would be plenty accurate on elk out to 400-600 yards, and the AB would certainly be so. And I know a NPT will leave an exit hole, for they "always expand and they always penetrate."

Where do you hunt elk? My seven were taken in NM AZ WY and CA.
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#5535810 - 01/11/15 04:17 PM Re: 7mm Elk Bullet [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Yup the Accubond would be a good one to try. I keep forgetting about it because it is so new. We have live animals to test bullets on, all year, in almost every county.


Yup. A mature boar hog, with its armor plated shield, would make ideal test media for potential elk bullets.
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#5535818 - 01/11/15 04:19 PM Re: 7mm Elk Bullet [Re: DStroud]
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I'd give an accubond a try in 160gr. VLDs are just a disaster waiting to happen if they haven't slowed down enough. Watched 168s just blow craters in a mule deer this year and luckily there was a an expert tracker in the group with good instincts.

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#5535921 - 01/11/15 05:02 PM Re: 7mm Elk Bullet [Re: DStroud]
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160gr Accubonds will serve you well.
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#5535961 - 01/11/15 05:17 PM Re: 7mm Elk Bullet [Re: dawaba]
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Originally Posted By: dawaba
Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Yup the Accubond would be a good one to try. I keep forgetting about it because it is so new. We have live animals to test bullets on, all year, in almost every county.


Yup. A mature boar hog, with its armor plated shield, would make ideal test media for potential elk bullets.


Yessir. Exactly what I was thinking.
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#5535968 - 01/11/15 05:21 PM Re: 7mm Elk Bullet [Re: rifleman]
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Originally Posted By: rifleman
I'd give an accubond a try in 160gr. VLDs are just a disaster waiting to happen if they haven't slowed down enough. Watched 168s just blow craters in a mule deer this year and luckily there was a an expert tracker in the group with good instincts.


VLD's aren't meant to be pushed at ultra high velocities like most other cup and core bullets with the exception of the partition or A-frame. If kept under the 3000fps area they perform just fine.
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#5536379 - 01/11/15 08:09 PM Re: 7mm Elk Bullet [Re: DStroud]
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They had slowed down well below 3000 by impact. (Don't remember the exact range, but it was 500yd+/- initially and 900yd+/- on a follow-up shot hours later that rolled him down a hill, then a 40yd follow-up shot an hour later). They were used for what they were designed for and failed miserably.

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#5536432 - 01/11/15 08:34 PM Re: 7mm Elk Bullet [Re: DStroud]
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We load 180gr Barnes triple shock for our Elk loads, but we are shooting 300 Weatherby's.
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