Does a flatter shooting sub .30 caliber exist?

Maybe the 7mm stw?

Define what you mean by flatter shooting. My 22 creed runs a similar BC in a 75 grain bullet that you would run in a 257 at 115 grains but runs it 400 fps faster, so I would say yep all day. the 25 calibers don't have the BC to be a "flat" cartridge at distance.

It does depend on the range you consider practical, doesn't it?

Depends on lot of factors. I killed a deer last weekend at 455yards with that 22 creed, that a max smoked her like a time bomb.

And this has WHAT to do with "flat shooting??"

Nothing besides My drop at that distance is 1.3 mils or 21.3 inches. With the 115 WBY advertises as their highest BC on their website the drop would have been 1.8 mils or 29 inches so I would assume that made the 22 creed "flatter shooting" since it has 7 inches less of rise at that distance??

You praise the bullets terminal ballistics when the subject is external ballistics. Two different subjects. Entirely.

So explain to me how .5 difference in drop at a given distance is not a flatter shooting cartridge?

Explain to me how this is relevant to a discussion of external ballistics.

My apologies I was carrying on 2 conversations at once. I had picked a known distance that was per your previous comment was "practical" because I had real world data at that distance and target. Then went to comparing the drop that both rifles would have had at a distance where one of the rifles had known performance tested. Then was able to actually compare the data of the 2 rifles at that distance. Now tell me why .5 less mils is not flatter shooting?

Again, your comment:




Are you daft?? This comment has NOTHING at all to do with trajectory and everything to do with terminal ballistics. "Trajectory" means exterior ballistics, i.e. what people mean when they are talking about "flat shooting."

I think maybe you should talk a little less and listen a little more.

26 Nosler and 7mmRUM are 2 that are flatter shooting.

The 7 STW will do it with higher BC bullets. The 7 RUM will be similar.

26 Nosler. Same thing.

The Lazeroni's, maybe.

Then there's a whole list of wildcats, but I assume you're only talking about standardized rounds.

The 257 WM is hard to beat at reasonable distances. It's the long range stuff that gets it due to poor ballistic coefficients. I would own one if I didn't already have a 25-06. There's just something about it. It was Roy's favorite for a reason, I suppose.

You want to see flat? Check out the Allen magnums. That's some serious horsepower.

Tx I think with all of the "custom guys" on here you need to add to the question;

Does anything shoot flatter the a guy can buy a rifle and ammunition over the counter?

A .22 creed may be flatter but it doesn't hit as hard so it's a moot point

A .257 wby with a 200 yard zero is approx. 5" low at 300 and 12" or so low at 400 with a 110 grain load. That's pretty dang flat

I could care less about what bullet does what at 800 yards out of a wildcat cartridge. I'm talking about hunting rounds that are flat shooting and carry the punch to knock it down


The .22 creed sounds fabulous and all but not different than the .224 TTH which has been around forever and is just a rebranded .22-6mm that was called the .22 coyote before Horace gore got ahold of it

Never heard of Allen magnums.

I like the lazzeroni stuff

"Flat shooting" should go away as a term used. If you're going to shoot distance learn how to correct for elevation. What matters is which one gets pushed by the wind more, then which one retains the most energy on the animal at "X" distance. All of these come down to BC, the ability to maintain velocity.

In factory offerings the 7 Rem Mag with a 168 gr is a mighty fine example.

That's all good and well but when that buck steps out in a sendero at 400 yards it's a lot easier to compensate for a 12" drop than a 20" drop when you have just seconds to range it and shoot

7mm Tejas, 257 Hot Tamale, 257 STW, 270wsm will match it with 110tsx.

You should check out the Allen mags just to see them. Very impressive. Especially the 338.

Fals. If you have time to range it you have time to hold or dial correctly for it. 400 for one of mine is 1.8 Mil. If it didn't drop as much I'd dial or hold less.

I looked at them

The .270 AM looks like a bad mama jamma

I'm sure that's the case with targets but I'm talking hunting in the real world. Animals don't always hold still while I fiddle with my dials

Why I use a milling reticle, Know how much space a deer and coyote fill up out to 400, if it under I use holdover, if its over I figure I should have time to dial.

It all comes down to BC, and the 257 bullets are simply substandard.

6mm, 6.5's, and 7mm simply outclass the 257.

Even a simple 7mm remington mag is a flatter shooting cartridge at 1k with several bullets.