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#5531145 - 01/09/15 06:15 PM Buying Firearms
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Registered: 12/07/10
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Loc: Tyler,TX
Ive bought and sold quite a few guns but today i had the strangest request.I understand signing a bill of sale to have some type of documentation. This was his request give me some opinions on what yall think

A note about being safe:
---notice---
My gun trading procedures
I want to protect myself and at the same time, this protects YOU.
I will only meet at a very public place where video surveillance is in use.
I will take pictures of you, your car, your DL or CHL, your gun and the paperwork . I suggest that you do the same.
I require a signed bill of sale that includes the statement "I am not legally prohibited from obtaining this firearm" for each of the traders.
We will both sign them and we will each leave with a copy.
I will print these beforehand and bring them to the meet up.
---notice---

Pictures?? Really...


Edited by kagomez85 (01/09/15 06:17 PM)

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#5531158 - 01/09/15 06:21 PM Re: Buying Firearms [Re: kagomez85]
cabosandinh Offline
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when you accidentally sell a firearm to a felon that you can't prove to ATF
who you sold to it can be a mess for you

taking pictures of individual, license, vehicle will prove to the field
investigator that you've done all you can to be legal

I did the same

not strange at all

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#5531176 - 01/09/15 06:26 PM Re: Buying Firearms [Re: kagomez85]
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So a stranger having all your info does not bother you? For some reason "Identity Theft" just started running through my head when he asked to photograph everything about me..me,truck, dl, and chl??

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#5531179 - 01/09/15 06:27 PM Re: Buying Firearms [Re: kagomez85]
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I wouldn't take it that far either if you want to see my chl fine but your not taking a copy.

Walter

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#5531196 - 01/09/15 06:33 PM Re: Buying Firearms [Re: kagomez85]
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If you want that much proof of sale, then why not go ahead and go through an FFL and do a background check?
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#5531198 - 01/09/15 06:34 PM Re: Buying Firearms [Re: Toxarch]
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Originally Posted By: Toxarch
If you want that much proof of sale, then why not go ahead and go through an FFL and do a background check?


Agreed might as well make it easy on yourself pay the transfer fee and get it completely out of your name altogether.
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#5531394 - 01/09/15 07:48 PM Re: Buying Firearms [Re: cabosandinh]
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Originally Posted By: cabosandinh

when you accidentally sell a firearm to a felon that you can't prove to ATF
who you sold to it can be a mess for you

taking pictures of individual, license, vehicle will prove to the field
investigator that you've done all you can to be legal

I did the same

not strange at all



I always print and keep the PM where you agreed to the sale. Acts like a bill of sale and has contact info for that person.
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#5531406 - 01/09/15 07:55 PM Re: Buying Firearms [Re: kagomez85]
daniel1381 Offline
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wow new one on me.. guess I need to step up my stuff. I normally just do the deal and walk away.
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#5531522 - 01/09/15 08:55 PM Re: Buying Firearms [Re: kagomez85]
TexFlip Offline
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Registered: 08/18/12
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I'd just meet at an FFL and do a 4473. Ain't gonna let no weirdo take a picture of me. confused2
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#5531585 - 01/09/15 09:15 PM Re: Buying Firearms [Re: kagomez85]
luv2brode Offline
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they that concerned, I don't need what they have
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#5531597 - 01/09/15 09:16 PM Re: Buying Firearms [Re: TexFlip]
Deerhunter61 Offline
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Registered: 08/27/08
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Originally Posted By: TexFlip
I'd just meet at an FFL and do a 4473. Ain't gonna let no weirdo take a picture of me. confused2


Yep...

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#5531625 - 01/09/15 09:27 PM Re: Buying Firearms [Re: daniel1381]
KRoyal Online   sleepy
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Registered: 01/24/07
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Loc: Sherman/North of Dallas
Originally Posted By: daniel1381
wow new one on me.. guess I need to step up my stuff. I normally just do the deal and walk away.


Yep if I would have taken a picture of you I would have broken my camera bolt
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#5531642 - 01/09/15 09:33 PM Re: Buying Firearms [Re: kagomez85]
Tactical Cowboy Offline
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Loc: Abilene
Uh.. According to the ATF, as long at you have no reason to believe them to be a felon or otherwise in eligible to own a firearm, you don't have to do a thing when you sell it. No bill of sale, no pics, no recording serial numbers.
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#5531671 - 01/09/15 09:45 PM Re: Buying Firearms [Re: kagomez85]
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Per ATF website:

What record-keeping procedures should be followed when two private individuals want to engage in a firearms transaction?



When a transaction takes place between private (unlicensed) persons who reside in the same State, the Gun Control Act (GCA) does not require any record keeping. A private person may sell a firearm to another private individual in his or her State of residence and, similarly, a private individual may buy a firearm from another private person who resides in the same State. It is not necessary under Federal law for a Federal firearms licensee (FFL) to assist in the sale or transfer when the buyer and seller are “same-State” residents. Of course, the transferor/seller may not knowingly transfer a firearm to someone who falls within any of the categories of prohibited persons contained in the GCA. See 18 U.S.C. §§ 922(g) and (n). However, as stated above, there are no GCA-required records to be completed by either party to the transfer.

There may be State or local laws or regulations that govern this type of transaction. Contact State Police units or the office of your State Attorney General for information on any such requirements.

Please note that if a private person wants to obtain a firearm from a private person who resides in another State, the firearm will have to be shipped to an FFL in the buyer’s State. The FFL will be responsible for record keeping. See also Question B3.
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#5531737 - 01/09/15 10:16 PM Re: Buying Firearms [Re: KRoyal]
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Originally Posted By: KRoyal
Originally Posted By: daniel1381
wow new one on me.. guess I need to step up my stuff. I normally just do the deal and walk away.


Yep if I would have taken a picture of you I would have broken my camera bolt



Lol that's messed up ..hope it's super cold at the shoot just for u
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