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#5522088 - 01/05/15 06:11 PM HF in Texas Vs. HF in Africa
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HF's are always getting bashed in Texas. Do the same people that do that bashing think the ones in Africa are OK?
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#5522126 - 01/05/15 06:37 PM Re: HF in Texas Vs. HF in Africa [Re: don k]
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Some do some don't

IMO I want to go to Africa to shoot African species not hunt a ranch where a fallow or mouflon may walk out
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#5522138 - 01/05/15 06:42 PM Re: HF in Texas Vs. HF in Africa [Re: txtrophy85]
don k Offline
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Originally Posted By: txtrophy85
Some do some don't

IMO I want to go to Africa to shoot African species not hunt a ranch where a fallow or mouflon may walk out
So what is the difference? I am sure they have none native game in Africa too. You can take Africa game here. Are the same animals that you take there in a HF different?
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#5522269 - 01/05/15 07:49 PM Re: HF in Texas Vs. HF in Africa [Re: don k]
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So African animals no matter the country of origin as long as they are somewhere in Africa? I mean you can kill a lot of species in South Africa that are African but not native to South Africa.

I will kill anything in any country from any country as long as I feel it is a quality hunt, high fence, low fence, no fence whatever.
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#5522370 - 01/05/15 08:33 PM Re: HF in Texas Vs. HF in Africa [Re: don k]
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Originally Posted By: don k
Originally Posted By: txtrophy85
Some do some don't

IMO I want to go to Africa to shoot African species not hunt a ranch where a fallow or mouflon may walk out
So what is the difference? I am sure they have none native game in Africa too. You can take Africa game here. Are the same animals that you take there in a HF different?


I was referring to ranches in Africa that import fallow and mouflon
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#5522447 - 01/05/15 08:53 PM Re: HF in Texas Vs. HF in Africa [Re: don k]
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Well, IMHO, I've noticed these differences from my trip to Africa:

Ranches are much larger. The "small ones" were 4000-10000 acres. The large ones were 200,000+ acres.

The fences usually were in pretty poor shape comparatively speaking. This was almost universal everywhere we went. Patches, holes, rusting out, and sometimes patchwork quilts. Some of the fences looked ancient.

Very common to hear landowners talk about animals getting out or getting in.

Larger ranches always seem to have sections down here and there - so many miles of fencing it was like there was always breaks here or there. Ranchers seemed pretty lax about it unless there was dangerous game involved.

Almost all fenced properties were treated as "preserves", not breeding facilities. Manipulating genetics is virtually unheard of - not at all like HF whitetail operations in Texas. The animals are left natural or as close to natural as possible. The fences were more like keeping others safe from animals in the road, etc. rather than preserving high dollar livestock. Ranchers more interested in their cattle than their Kudu walking around.


Edited by John Humbert (01/05/15 08:54 PM)

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#5522509 - 01/05/15 09:13 PM Re: HF in Texas Vs. HF in Africa [Re: don k]
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confused2 every one knows white men cant jump dey even made a movie bouts it flag
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#5522515 - 01/05/15 09:15 PM Re: HF in Texas Vs. HF in Africa [Re: colt.45]
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confused2 every one knows white men cant jump dey even made a movie bouts it flag

scratch why u thnk Santa has all dem raindeers flag
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#5522520 - 01/05/15 09:18 PM Re: HF in Texas Vs. HF in Africa [Re: don k]
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Humbert said it well. They don't high fence to manipulate genetics. And more often than not they are high fencing to protect crops.
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#5522680 - 01/05/15 10:19 PM Re: HF in Texas Vs. HF in Africa [Re: dkershen]
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HF in Texas Vs. HF in Africa

Texas has large HF Ranches.

Texas has HF ranches that do not practice genetic manipulation.

In Texas no matter the size of the HF ranch gets " labeled Canned".

Maybe what separates Texas from Africa is we just have to many "anti-hunters" which cause division even among hunter's.

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#5522715 - 01/05/15 10:35 PM Re: HF in Texas Vs. HF in Africa [Re: SheepHunter]
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Originally Posted By: SheepHunter
HF in Texas Vs. HF in Africa

Texas has large HF Ranches.

Texas has HF ranches that do not practice genetic manipulation.

In Texas no matter the size of the HF ranch gets " labeled Canned".

Maybe what separates Texas from Africa is we just have to many "anti-hunters" which cause division even among hunter's.



Yup,
My brother was planning a trip to Africa thinking it was going to be a wild and open place. Come to find out it was just a HF ranch that would bring in anything that you wanted to hunt. After speaking with the guide some he got the impression that the HF was to keep poachers out.
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#5522732 - 01/05/15 10:49 PM Re: HF in Texas Vs. HF in Africa [Re: don k]
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I think the difference is size. I have hunted high fenced farms in RSA that were 60k plus acres. The fact it is fenced never comes into play on a place that size. If the ranches in Texas were that large I don't think there would be any difference in the way hunters think about them.

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#5522748 - 01/05/15 11:03 PM Re: HF in Texas Vs. HF in Africa [Re: Simple Searcher]
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Originally Posted By: Simple Searcher
Originally Posted By: SheepHunter
HF in Texas Vs. HF in Africa

Texas has large HF Ranches.

Texas has HF ranches that do not practice genetic manipulation.

In Texas no matter the size of the HF ranch gets " labeled Canned".

Maybe what separates Texas from Africa is we just have to many "anti-hunters" which cause division even among hunter's.



Yup,
My brother was planning a trip to Africa thinking it was going to be a wild and open place. Come to find out it was just a HF ranch that would bring in anything that you wanted to hunt. After speaking with the guide some he got the impression that the HF was to keep poachers out.


Your brother is a perfect example of "My mind is made up", or he talked with the lowest, cheapest outfitter he could find.


Edited by SheepHunter (01/05/15 11:07 PM)

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#5522750 - 01/05/15 11:06 PM Re: HF in Texas Vs. HF in Africa [Re: Erny]
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Originally Posted By: Erny
I think the difference is size. I have hunted high fenced farms in RSA that were 60k plus acres. The fact it is fenced never comes into play on a place that size. If the ranches in Texas were that large I don't think there would be any difference in the way hunters think about them.


I see. So on 50,000 acres the hf would somehow "come into play". Man why didn't somebody just explain that decades ago!!
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#5522757 - 01/05/15 11:14 PM Re: HF in Texas Vs. HF in Africa [Re: don k]
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Originally Posted By: don k
Originally Posted By: txtrophy85
Some do some don't

IMO I want to go to Africa to shoot African species not hunt a ranch where a fallow or mouflon may walk out
So what is the difference? I am sure they have none native game in Africa too. You can take Africa game here. Are the same animals that you take there in a HF different?


Cost may also come into play. You shoot a Kudu, Impala, Blesbok, Waterbuck, Gemsbuck in Texas you will spend 35K +-. That will buy a great hunt in Africa.

I have hunted HF in both areas. Just check references and you can find first class outfits in both Texas & Africa.

Your right post a picture of a hunter with their Kudu and no one can tell if it was taken on HF, LF or NF.


Edited by SheepHunter (01/05/15 11:23 PM)

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