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#5511295 - 12/31/14 05:51 PM Getting pup used to gun sound
DoveMaster Offline
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Registered: 11/15/06
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I've heard it's good to slowly get a puppy used to sound of gun... I have 3M old Brittany... Ran across a guy at Cabelas, that swears by using fire crackers, like Black Cats occassionally for this, vs. a pistol.... any thoughts on? I was thinking of buying some 38 special blanks to try, but don't think you can shoot those in a normal pistol, and have some fireworks laying around, which would be cheaper route to go...

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#5511570 - 12/31/14 07:25 PM Re: Getting pup used to gun sound [Re: DoveMaster]
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22 starter pistol with blanks of course. Firing will draw attention if your near people and using a real gun will really add attention. Also the gun needs to go off at a precise moment. Waiting around for fire crackers to go off is an accident waiting to happen

If you want a fool proof method to get pup used to the gun in a safe manner respond and I will post it. 4 months will be a better time to do this


Edited by blanked (12/31/14 07:32 PM)

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#5511622 - 12/31/14 07:38 PM Re: Getting pup used to gun sound [Re: DoveMaster]
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Listen to Blanked...lot easier to get them fired up about gunfire than overcoming gun shyness.
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#5512789 - 01/01/15 11:11 AM Re: Getting pup used to gun sound [Re: Ol_Yeller]
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Originally Posted By: Ol_Yeller
Listen to Blanked...lot easier to get them fired up about gunfire than overcoming gun shyness.

I can vouch for this statement bang


Edited by Barny Topwater (01/01/15 11:12 AM)
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#5513021 - 01/01/15 12:51 PM Re: Getting pup used to gun sound [Re: blanked]
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Originally Posted By: blanked
22 starter pistol with blanks of course. Firing will draw attention if your near people and using a real gun will really add attention. Also the gun needs to go off at a precise moment. Waiting around for fire crackers to go off is an accident waiting to happen

If you want a fool proof method to get pup used to the gun in a safe manner respond and I will post it. 4 months will be a better time to do this


You the man.
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#5517876 - 01/03/15 07:53 PM Re: Getting pup used to gun sound [Re: DoveMaster]
dizzy17 Offline
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I tried everything with my current dog and he is flat out gun shy. I have had many dogs with no problem, but this dog has never liked gunshots. I have had him since he was a puppy. I have taken him at least 100 time dove hunting, and he still hate the sound of a gun. I still take him everywhere with me, but he just sits by the truck and chases rabbits while I hunt. I would get rid of him but my wife turned him into an inside dog and the kids love him.

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#5518120 - 01/03/15 09:51 PM Re: Getting pup used to gun sound [Re: dizzy17]
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Originally Posted By: dizzy17
I tried everything with my current dog and he is flat out gun shy. I have had many dogs with no problem, but this dog has never liked gunshots. I have had him since he was a puppy. I have taken him at least 100 time dove hunting, and he still hate the sound of a gun. I still take him everywhere with me, but he just sits by the truck and chases rabbits while I hunt. I would get rid of him but my wife turned him into an inside dog and the kids love him.


At what age, level of training, and what method was used to introduce this pup to gunfire? Sorry about your dog but a lot may be learned from the back story.
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#5519046 - 01/04/15 01:42 PM Re: Getting pup used to gun sound [Re: maximumintensityretriever]
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I got him at six weeks and started working with his retrieving at two months. No problem. He obeys all my commands. He will still retrieve anything for me as long as there is not a gun shot. He is now two years old. While he ate when he was young I would always do hammering work or slap the table by him while he ate. He never jumped or flinched when I did this. I though he would be fine. Nope. I started firing a 22 by him while he ate, he did not like it. I tried till he was around a year old. To the day I can still make loud noises next to him and he has no problem. If I shoot any gun, he hides under the truck. Like I said, he still goes with me everywhere because he is my buddy, but he hates guns.

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#5519057 - 01/04/15 01:49 PM Re: Getting pup used to gun sound [Re: DoveMaster]
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You never start off with gunfire beside the dog. It has to be started at a distance.
I would look into a training program, that has intro to gunfire included.
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#5519113 - 01/04/15 02:27 PM Re: Getting pup used to gun sound [Re: kindall]
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Originally Posted By: kindall
You never start off with gunfire beside the dog. It has to be started at a distance.
I would look into a training program, that has intro to gunfire included.


And would play fetch with them also

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#5519123 - 01/04/15 02:33 PM Re: Getting pup used to gun sound [Re: dizzy17]
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Originally Posted By: dizzy17
I got him at six weeks and started working with his retrieving at two months. No problem. He obeys all my commands. He will still retrieve anything for me as long as there is not a gun shot. He is now two years old. While he ate when he was young I would always do hammering work or slap the table by him while he ate. He never jumped or flinched when I did this. I though he would be fine. Nope. I started firing a 22 by him while he ate, he did not like it. I tried till he was around a year old. To the day I can still make loud noises next to him and he has no problem. If I shoot any gun, he hides under the truck. Like I said, he still goes with me everywhere because he is my buddy, but he hates guns.


What purpose does shooting while he's eating accomplish?
He needs to associate it with fun and birds (retrieving).
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#5519158 - 01/04/15 02:47 PM Re: Getting pup used to gun sound [Re: DoveMaster]
dizzy17 Offline
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Like I said in my original post, I have had many bird dogs with no problems. I trained them all the same way. When I started the gun fire, I started roughly 20 yards from him. When I realized he did not like it, I went inside and got a frozen dove to play fetch with. I started throwing it without shooting and he would bring it back every time. Then I would toss it with a 22 going off, he wanted nothing to do with it. I was very surprised by his actions. If I throw the dove and hit a hammer on metal, no problem. It is crazy.

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#5519175 - 01/04/15 02:57 PM Re: Getting pup used to gun sound [Re: iliketohunt]
dizzy17 Offline
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Originally Posted By: iliketohunt
Originally Posted By: dizzy17
I got him at six weeks and started working with his retrieving at two months. No problem. He obeys all my commands. He will still retrieve anything for me as long as there is not a gun shot. He is now two years old. While he ate when he was young I would always do hammering work or slap the table by him while he ate. He never jumped or flinched when I did this. I though he would be fine. Nope. I started firing a 22 by him while he ate, he did not like it. I tried till he was around a year old. To the day I can still make loud noises next to him and he has no problem. If I shoot any gun, he hides under the truck. Like I said, he still goes with me everywhere because he is my buddy, but he hates guns.


What purpose does shooting while he's eating accomplish?
He needs to associate it with fun and birds (retrieving).

When he his eating, this is something he enjoys doing. If he can associate eating with gunfire, the dog will be good to go. This is how I have trained all my dogs first, then I went to the field. However, none of the dogs acted like this one.


Edited by dizzy17 (01/04/15 03:06 PM)

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#5519391 - 01/04/15 04:25 PM Re: Getting pup used to gun sound [Re: DoveMaster]
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I feel like I should jump back in here since I instigated this. I knew the answer before I asked. I would like to thank dizzy17 for posting his story because it proves a point.

Gun shy dogs are not born, they are created. Most of the time by dumb mistakes or bad luck. The old method of rocking a shot off over the food bowl doesn't always work and is a huge gamble as is shooting over a dog to early, taking a pup to the gun range, taking a dog hunting prior to formal training, or shooting around a dog to "see" if they are gun shy to name a few. I would rank fireworks right on up there in the how to ruin a good dog category.

The only way to ensure that your dog is not going to be scared of gunfire is to train first, shoot second. I don't fire primers closer than 50 yards until the dog is through FF, steady, and marking well. As you can imagine this puts the dog at a much older age, further in training, and in love with retrieving before the gun is pointed over their head.

Don't ruin a good dog by getting too excited too early.

P.S. And dizzy, I agree with Kindall that your dog is probably salvagable with a formal training program.
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#5525814 - 01/07/15 01:35 PM Re: Getting pup used to gun sound [Re: DoveMaster]
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Registered: 01/17/13
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Say hello to "Max". He climbs up in the deer blind with me and gets excited to see whats on the ground after the 45-70 cannon goes off.
He got his exposure to gunfire during my whitewing hunting forays.
Never showed any anxiety around firearms..it's in the genes..

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