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#5507873 - 12/30/14 12:50 AM fouling shot or not
piney woods hunter Offline
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Registered: 09/15/09
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Hey blackpowder folks am new to game. I have a Cva wolf inline I cleaned and sighted in. Fired four4 shots to check zero. Now do I clean and fire fouling shot or not. Plan on using in two geeks
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#5507985 - 12/30/14 06:28 AM Re: fouling shot or not [Re: piney woods hunter]
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you should clean black-powder is very corrosive
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#5508194 - 12/30/14 08:51 AM Re: fouling shot or not [Re: piney woods hunter]
kelvinator Offline
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Loc: Hickory Creek, TX.
I always fire a fouling shot before going afield to hunt. My point of impact is very different with a clean bore. This can vary from gun to gun, and type of powder as well as projectile all have an affect.
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#5508440 - 12/30/14 10:55 AM Re: fouling shot or not [Re: whistler]
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Originally Posted By: whistler
you should clean black-powder is very corrosive

cheers +1 scratch tis just a guess. if using GOEX powder, loading the 4th shot was a little tougher than the first. once find load that your comfurtable with. whin seating, mmark on ramrod with perminant marker. it weres off over the years. last hog took, wasnt paying attention, used measure for pistal. fired few rounds. cleaned. next day, dry fired, loaded using same measure. took hog, one shot. using load for pistal. it had sat for years, was using .270 for deer hunts. whin pudding up muzzy, light oil. best wishes on up coming hunt. keep your head held high & your powder dry flag
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#5508590 - 12/30/14 12:04 PM Re: fouling shot or not [Re: colt.45]
colt.45 Offline
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Originally Posted By: colt.45
Originally Posted By: whistler
you should clean black-powder is very corrosive

cheers +1 scratch tis just a guess. if using GOEX powder, loading the 4th shot was a little tougher than the first. once find load that your comfurtable with. whin seating, mmark on ramrod with perminant marker. it weres off over the years. last hog took, wasnt paying attention, used measure for pistal. fired few rounds. cleaned. next day, dry fired, loaded using same measure. took hog, one shot. using load for pistal. it had sat for years, was using .270 for deer hunts. whin pudding up muzzy, light oil. best wishes on up coming hunt. keep your head held high & your powder dry flag

scratch in-line ya more than likely using more modern powder. would clean, light oil, day before hunt. dry fire, point barrel at blade of grass, bust cap or two. give second or two, no sparks. powder, lead, tis not considered loaded till cap is on. 2cents i have cheap posts flag
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#5508617 - 12/30/14 12:25 PM Re: fouling shot or not [Re: piney woods hunter]
Dave Scott Offline
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Dear Piney....that fouling shot thing. That's what you do at a shooting range in a competitive match. In some rifles (NOT ALL)- a clean bore might shoot to a different spot. I have rifles where it makes no difference.
In any event in a match you fire a "fouling" shot and then shoot the match with the fouled bore. The match lasts an hour or two and you clean the bore.
As stated, black powder is corrosive, you don't want a fouled bore for 12 hours or a day or two while hunting.
So, I'd go with the clean bore. When you sight in, take a shot with the clean bore and then swab and clean a bit and then load- until you sight in with a clean bore. Don't worry about a quick follow up shot, not really a muzzle loader thing.

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#5508844 - 12/30/14 02:30 PM Re: fouling shot or not [Re: piney woods hunter]
piney woods hunter Offline
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Thanks members got CVA wolf for Christmas want to take proper care of her and get best results on upcoming muzzle loading deer season we have here in east Texas.
May be just a starter rifle but am glad to have it. And Dave point of impact did not seem much different. With fouled or clean bore . Took spike with my cousins 50 cal few years back. Wanted my own ever since now I can tune rifle to me.
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#5509075 - 12/30/14 04:35 PM Re: fouling shot or not [Re: piney woods hunter]
piney woods hunter Offline
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went out and gave CVA a good cleaning, seems am heading back to another sight in session, while I was cleaning it discovered lose scope mounts, surprised I got groups I did it was a package gun that was supposed to be bore sighted , seems they did not snug mounts very well or recoil losined them anyway I put my fat wrench on them on way back to shooting table one evening this week, really makes me mad having to go shoot ha. think am going to enjoy muzzloading
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#5509079 - 12/30/14 04:38 PM Re: fouling shot or not [Re: piney woods hunter]
piney woods hunter Offline
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also am using triple seven 50 grain pellets shooting 150 grains with a 209 primier if that will help in yalls advice
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#5509140 - 12/30/14 05:14 PM Re: fouling shot or not [Re: piney woods hunter]
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Piney.. if you live by this you will never be wrong when it comes to black powder... If you load it you shoot it to unload it.. you clean it. If you leave that burned powder in your barrel it will rust and it don't take long. You can leave a powder charge in your gun up to 3 days while out hunting. Then unload swab reload. The powder loses it's potency after that time. Do Not bring it inside at night tho because the barrel will sweat and get your powder wet and then it will not fire then you got a mess. So if that's a problem put in your truck at night. uncapped of course. When sighting in.. swab the barrel after each shot to make sure your accrete. Now if your out hunting and reload you'll be ok for the next shot.. but swab the barrel after the 2nd time of firing. I always carry patches with me just for that reason. I've been doing this a long time and had a great guy teach me years and years ago. Hope this helps you out

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#5509348 - 12/30/14 06:28 PM Re: fouling shot or not [Re: piney woods hunter]
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Black powder muzzy rifles need to be cleaned and oiled between shooting sessions...period.
Black powder is corrosive and the residue attracts moisture which will rust a cold steel bore.
As for a fouling shot, that depends on the user. There's different arguments for shooting
from a clean bore versus a fouled bore. Personally, I prefer a clean bore and will swab a
wet patch between shots in a practice shooting session. However, on deer & elk hunts, in the heat
of the moment I've been known to reload my muzzy in a fouled scenario. The point of impact for
my muzzy will change after 3 shots with an unclean barrel. JMHO....
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#5509982 - 12/31/14 03:20 AM Re: fouling shot or not [Re: piney woods hunter]
piney woods hunter Offline
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Loc: east texas
Thanks for the info guys really helps. Would hate toblone good animal. Over simple mistake like bringing gun inside
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#5509983 - 12/31/14 03:26 AM Re: fouling shot or not [Re: piney woods hunter]
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What range do yal sight in at. Am shooting 295 grain powerbelt. Bullets. 150 grains triple 7
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#5510022 - 12/31/14 06:25 AM Re: fouling shot or not [Re: piney woods hunter]
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The usual 100 yards is what I sight in at. Be advised that your shooting
a magnum load with 150grs. Powerbelt bullets are accurate bullets but
the lead alloy is much softer than other bullets and it is known to fracture
upon impact with a magnum load. It has been suggested to use 100grs with
powerbelts in order to prevent the bullet from breaking apart after impact.
I've personally noted the bullet break into several pieces on game I have shot.
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#5510081 - 12/31/14 07:31 AM Re: fouling shot or not [Re: piney woods hunter]
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Registered: 01/18/09
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Loc: Temple, TX
Originally Posted By: piney woods hunter
What range do yal sight in at. Am shooting 295 grain powerbelt. Bullets. 150 grains triple 7


Piney,

I would suggest you go to this link: http://www.hodgdon.com/loading.html. Here's what Hodgdon says about T7:

Triple Seven is a high energy product designed to provide the muzzleloading hunter with higher velocities when used in the same VOLUME as blackpowder. To duplicate a blackpowder load velocity using Triple Seven, you must decrease the powder charge by 15%. *See WARNING below.

I interpret it to say to reduce the max load by 15% which is 127.5. Not trying to be bossy, it's a safety issue. The increase in bullet performance is minimal with powder by volume loads over 120 grains. You'll enjoy less recoil and save $'s on powder.

Have fun with your new rifle and welcome to muzzleloading.

Paul
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Edited by huntnfool (12/31/14 01:18 PM)
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