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#5498823 - 12/25/14 05:45 AM Reasons to shoot varmints/predators
Theblakester Offline
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Please rank these varmints/predators in order from most hated on your property to least and why? which ones u would mostly prefer gone and why? I know Hogs cost tons of money in property/crop damage. But I'm curios as to why these others are hunted often. Property damage? Danger to livestock (specifics)? Danger to wildlife (specifics)? What else? My dad has bobcats, foxes and coons on is place but he doesn't want to shoot them bc "they got a right to be here too" but he wants the coyotes shot on sight.
Also, if it's for trophy reasons or just to draw blood, that doesn't count as a reason for this thread.
1. Coyotes- i know they're a danger to baby deer and other wildlife, and livestock as well as pets.
2. Bobcats- do they put a dent in the turkey population? What else?
3. Foxes- same as above?
4. Raccoons- I know they carry rabies. I know they tear up feeders. I know they're meaner than they look. What else? Are they a bigger threat to turkey's than other varmints/predators?

Merry Christmas y'all!


Edited by Theblakester (12/25/14 05:45 AM)
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#5499097 - 12/25/14 10:41 AM Re: Reasons to shoot varmints/predators [Re: Theblakester]
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Coyotes for the reasons you listed Seen many a calf killed by them and they don't do the fawn crop any good.
Hogs should all be destroyed with extreme prejudice. Being a land owner that is trying to rehab grassland only to have hogs tear it up really ticks me off! I hate them! I do not hate coyotes though.

Coons because they are eating the corn I'm putting out for the very small deer numbers in my area that I'm trying to help increase. Plus I will probably get some laying hens one day The coyotes and coons will have a field day with them unless I try to keep their numbers in check.

I've killed many a bobcat, but have recently decided to let them be hoping they'll help with the coons. But if they become a proble with the future hens I'll dispatch them.

Foxes I always let walk since it has been very rare for me to have seen them where my stomping grounds are.
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#5499130 - 12/25/14 11:08 AM Re: Reasons to shoot varmints/predators [Re: Theblakester]
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Opossums and raccoons for eating my corn
Pigs for destroying the land
Coyotes, bob cats and foxes for killing livestock, deer, turkey and quail

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#5499171 - 12/25/14 11:33 AM Re: Reasons to shoot varmints/predators [Re: Theblakester]
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Originally Posted By: Theblakester
Please rank these varmints/predators in order from most hated on your property to least and why? which ones u would mostly prefer gone and why? I know Hogs cost tons of money in property/crop damage. But I'm curios as to why these others are hunted often. Property damage? Danger to livestock (specifics)? Danger to wildlife (specifics)? What else? My dad has bobcats, foxes and coons on is place but he doesn't want to shoot them bc "they got a right to be here too" but he wants the coyotes shot on sight.
Also, if it's for trophy reasons or just to draw blood, that doesn't count as a reason for this thread.
1. Coyotes- i know they're a danger to baby deer and other wildlife, and livestock as well as pets.
2. Bobcats- do they put a dent in the turkey population? What else?
3. Foxes- same as above?
4. Raccoons- I know they carry rabies. I know they tear up feeders. I know they're meaner than they look. What else? Are they a bigger threat to turkey's than other varmints/predators?

Merry Christmas y'all!

peep tis me again with my 2cents . Tis pretty mellow bouts varmints/predators de one dat bugs me de most tis them thar fire ants they roam in great numbers, distuction of land, chases the deer away from de food on de ground, but what makes me flameon tis whin they bit the kids & grandkids. i be pudding out traps ta catchem, scratch they be pretty good grillen if ya's dip em in chackolet, get ya some antacides though. flag
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#5499477 - 12/25/14 04:22 PM Re: Reasons to shoot varmints/predators [Re: FiremanJG]
colt45 Offline
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Coyotes for the reasons you listed Seen many a calf killed by them and they don't do the fawn crop any good.
Hogs should all be destroyed with extreme prejudice. Being a land owner that is trying to rehab grassland only to have hogs tear it up really ticks me off! I hate them! I do not hate coyotes though.

Coons because they are eating the corn I'm putting out for the very small deer numbers in my area that I'm trying to help increase. Plus I will probably get some laying hens one day The coyotes and coons will have a field day with them unless I try to keep their numbers in check.

I've killed many a bobcat, but have recently decided to let them be hoping they'll help with the coons. But if they become a proble with the future hens I'll dispatch them.

Foxes I always let walk since it has been very rare for me to have seen them where my stomping grounds are.
my exact thoughts,don't mess with the cats or fox
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#5499629 - 12/25/14 06:28 PM Re: Reasons to shoot varmints/predators [Re: Theblakester]
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Just to watch them die.

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#5499831 - 12/25/14 08:42 PM Re: Reasons to shoot varmints/predators [Re: Theblakester]
Txcatman1 Offline
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Well this is often a disputed question on whether or not to take certain predators an nuisance animals from properties or not. If you only have a couple hundred acres and enjoy viewing wildlife and enjoying seeing a rare glimpse of a bobcat or fox then that's great, but it makes no sense to let them walk if your just gonna be selective and shoot a coyote or or coon for eating your corn. Predator management is nothing new to me and from a biologist and a wildlife management standpoint here's my opinions.

If you want to preserve you quail and turkey populations you should probably be more concerned of fire ants than anything. Believe it or not the most detremental species to ground nesting birds are skunks. Yes not bobcats or any predator eating the adult birds it's nest raiders. Skunks, coons, and possums favorite foods are eggs. So if your under a strict game management program for quail and turkey these three predators should be at the top of your hit list.

Of course everyone shoots coyotes because they are about the most detremental to livestock and deer populations in texas, but if you think a bobcat won't jump on a fawn you better reavaluate your thinking.
Here's a few random pics that I just pulled off the internet






If you ask these questions to a high fence big money whitetail ranch manager and ask if you let any of these predators walk there gonna laugh because they won't take the risk of loosing a big money fawn.

Foxes do there part as well with nest raids on ground birds but for the majority they are mice hunters, but will take birds, squirrels and other small mammals as well.

If you are really serious about game management and predator control then there's no saying well I'll just take this species and not that one. There are strict programs on well managed properties to keep these species at reasonable levels, it's called predator control not predator annihilation, although pretty good trappers can put a dent in em and keep at a low population, you will never wipe them out, so if your serious about your property than install a real predator management system and start trapping to really remove certain species, but if your a weekend warrior who just a likes to be in the outdoors whenever you get a chance like 90% of us out there then enjoy the wildlife!

Merry Christmas everyone, those are my thoughts on the subject, enjoy.
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#5499849 - 12/25/14 08:53 PM Re: Reasons to shoot varmints/predators [Re: Theblakester]
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And predation of coons by other predators is extremely rare, I don't know how many coons you've been in close encounters with but I'd probably been a few feet of close to a thousand or so and I tell you what, bout the meanest thing in a trap is a big boar coon, I wouldn't want anything to do with one if I had a choice to eat something. Bout the Only thing that'll touch a coon carcass is a buzzard, so I wouldn't plan on too many being eaten by other predators.
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#5500056 - 12/25/14 11:56 PM Re: Reasons to shoot varmints/predators [Re: Txcatman1]
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Originally Posted By: Txcatman1
And predation of coons by other predators is extremely rare, I don't know how many coons you've been in close encounters with but I'd probably been a few feet of close to a thousand or so and I tell you what, bout the meanest thing in a trap is a big boar coon, I wouldn't want anything to do with one if I had a choice to eat something. Bout the Only thing that'll touch a coon carcass is a buzzard, so I wouldn't plan on too many being eaten by other predators.


I was thinking the same thing, I highly doubt a bobcat will mess with a coon. Those things are about as nasty and mean as they come. Nice pics you found btw. Never seen a bobcat take a deer, but figured they would.
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#5500265 - 12/26/14 08:51 AM Re: Reasons to shoot varmints/predators [Re: Theblakester]
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I don't hate any of them. Coyotes eat calves, bobcats eat deer, foxes eat rabbits, that's the way it all works. I don't have cows but understand the loss when one is killed but that's what you deal with when you decide to be a rancher. I rarely shoot a bobcat anymore, not because I think they are rare and beautiful and need to live but because I have no use for a dead one. I have mounts and hides in the house already so what am I gonna do with another one? I do trap some coons around the feeders but not to eliminate them but keep the population down some. If a fawn gets eaten, well he became part of the circle of life sorry buddy should've ran faster.
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#5500382 - 12/26/14 10:08 AM Re: Reasons to shoot varmints/predators [Re: Txcatman1]
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So an adult Bobcat would pass on a jeuvenile coon?
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#5501315 - 12/26/14 08:51 PM Re: Reasons to shoot varmints/predators [Re: Theblakester]
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Coyotes if their is a food source like dairy calves dead cows can reproduce like flies then when the food is gone they prey on things close to home chickens, puppies, baby calves

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#5501325 - 12/26/14 08:56 PM Re: Reasons to shoot varmints/predators [Re: Theblakester]
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I don't mess with bobcats or coyotes. I figure they are the first and only line of defense against hogs. I'm sure they take an occasional fawn but that's just the predator/prey relationship. I've put deer carcasses out with a game cam and seldom see a coyote or bobcat coming to the carcass. I have never had a problem with cats of coyotes on my cattle.

Now, free running rude neighbors dogs are a whole different story.


Edited by Dave Davidson (12/26/14 08:58 PM)
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#5501466 - 12/26/14 10:14 PM Re: Reasons to shoot varmints/predators [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
So an adult Bobcat would pass on a jeuvenile coon?


With other food sources available, yes 100% of the time, just not apart of their diet, to be honest with you all the majority of all the cats that I've opened up to check the stomach contents they've been full of mice. They are totally optimistic hunters and will take anything that comes along but a coon is just not apart of that food chain. Bout the only things that kill and eat coons are humans. Coyotes won't hardly mess with the carcasses either, pretty weird.
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#5501667 - 12/27/14 04:13 AM Re: Reasons to shoot varmints/predators [Re: Theblakester]
Theblakester Offline
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Thanks y'all. I appreciate it. Any other knowledgeable land owners feel free to chime in.
My dad's place (Real co.) has lots of deer (5+, sometimes 10 does/spikes/fawns at the feeders at a time when they're coming in), cottontails and jack rabbits galore, turkey population has been strong (dad had over 30 at one time crossing his back yard pasture last year) the last couple years (probably due to wet enough springs/summers), 1-4 coons on a feeder at night, a boar or two (when the feeders are throwing during dark hours fairly regularly (sounders are rare), we hear coyotes but seldom see them on camera, a pack of wild dogs try to make their stompin grounds in the neighborhood every year or two, an adult bobcat has been on a game camera regularly who just had 4 kittens, a couple foxes being seen around, we see skunks but not as much as coons, lots of armadillos, field mice, and I'm sure some possums, though I don't recall seeing them on camera or when night hunting hogs, and an occasional porcupine makes a home on the property.
Usually, if I'm ready to call it quits for the night and I'm checking the last feeder I go to and don't find a hog but do see a coon or two I'll take one of em out.
Other than that I mainly hog hunt with nv and don't try to call in predators.
Given the abundance of wildlife and animals lower on the food chain, how would y'all suggest prioritizing the predator/varmint control out there????
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