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#5485504 - 12/18/14 09:52 AM Pointing
kpaw Offline
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Registered: 10/10/14
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I have a DD, she is doing great finding quail, but she has yet to stop and point. Is this something that will automatically happen one day? I have been working on Whoa at home in the yard, but I don't want to push her in the field, and she is not steady on it yet? Advice? She is 9 Months old. She has flash pointed birds twice, she also holds point on roost sites, but not on live birds. I'm new to this and just want to do things correctly.

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#5485539 - 12/18/14 10:07 AM Re: Pointing [Re: kpaw]
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At 9 mo. you can expect a few wrecks but it sounds to me like you need to work harder on the whoa training and then reinforce it. The longer you let her get away with busting birds the harder it will be to correct it. She needs to know it is her job to find the birds but it is your job to flush them.

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#5485666 - 12/18/14 10:54 AM Re: Pointing [Re: kpaw]
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Just curious what whoa training will do if she doesn't point at all?

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#5485703 - 12/18/14 11:12 AM Re: Pointing [Re: kpaw]
kpaw Offline
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I should also say, I have only had her on wild birds in deep south Texas, we still have not even had a hard frost, I don't know if that should make a difference in sent.

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#5485712 - 12/18/14 11:17 AM Re: Pointing [Re: kpaw]
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Pointing should be instinct on any upland bird. You just teach how long they hold it. 9 months seems old for not instinctually pointing. I'm no expert though

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#5485762 - 12/18/14 11:47 AM Re: Pointing [Re: kpaw]
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I would get you some pigeons, or quail and put her on a check cord. If she doesn't stop on first scent, say nothing, and walk her away. I plant 3 or 4 different spots. That way I can keep working the field with the pup. If you know someone with a bird launcher, it can help speed up the process. Same thing, if she doesn't stop on first scent, launch the bird, and walk her away.
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#5485772 - 12/18/14 11:51 AM Re: Pointing [Re: kpaw]
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Make sure you don't shoot any birds that she busts. If you do your reinforcing her acting like a flusher, instead of a pointer.
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#5485979 - 12/18/14 01:55 PM Re: Pointing [Re: kpaw]
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You have already told us she likes to hunt. That is about the only thing that you can't teach a dog. It is hard to train a dog on wild birds. My advise is to get her whoa broke in the yard first and the when she has whoa down and will stop and stand on command then go get a few pigeons and work her on them. The stopping and standing is the point. Some dogs have a lot moor class on point than others but as long as you know what she is doing that is what counts.

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#5485986 - 12/18/14 02:00 PM Re: Pointing [Re: kpaw]
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Kpaw - Call your breeder.
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#5486008 - 12/18/14 02:17 PM Re: Pointing [Re: kpaw]
MS1454 Offline
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9 months is just a pup and is not old enough to worry about not pointing. This is not a pointer/ setter. Yes many dogs it just clicks and they start pointing, like with people they develop at different rates. Be happy with being able to work your dogs on wild birds, I would continue the rest of the season as you are and worry about stopping to point in the off season, that's what it's for. I bet by then it's no longer a problem.
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#5486115 - 12/18/14 03:12 PM Re: Pointing [Re: changedmyname]
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Originally Posted By: iliketohunt
Just curious what whoa training will do if she doesn't point at all?


Whoa will only help them stay pointed. Here's what we did with a young setter that was not yet pointing. We put out a bird for an older broke dog and let it point the bird. We brought the young setter in on a CC and stopped her. Next we picked her up and carried her up to the scent cone and stopped her again. I've tried the same thing with pups that were not yet pointing coveys. It worked for me.

I'd rather start with one which is pointing at a young age, but you have to take what you get, or at least I do.
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#5486241 - 12/18/14 04:28 PM Re: Pointing [Re: kpaw]
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Loc: Spring, Tx
Running young dogs on wild birds, its tough to control the training.
Don't get me wrong, I will still do it. I just go into the field knowing, they are going to bust and chase some coveys. As long as I don't encourage it by shooting birds over them, they will figure it out over time. This in no way means that I don't work on training away from the wild birds. Here is a video by a pro, on how I start my young dogs. Its just a simple stop until released. I keep building on it until I can walk away from the dog. Then walk back to them for the release. Then I use the same approach with whoa training on birds. Once the dog stops, it can not move until released.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC2Q4fBYDcQ
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#5486390 - 12/18/14 05:58 PM Re: Pointing [Re: kpaw]
magspa Offline
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How far in deep South TX are you? I live in Harlingen and have a launcher if you wan to borrow it. I know where you can get pigeons which is what i would use. I wouldnt take a chance of her catching a pen raised quail. I have only trained 2 dogs and helped with another but they all turned out to be good gun dogs, and improving constantly.
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#5488229 - 12/19/14 06:02 PM Re: Pointing [Re: bill oxner]
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Originally Posted By: bill oxner
Originally Posted By: iliketohunt
Just curious what whoa training will do if she doesn't point at all?


Whoa will only help them stay pointed. Here's what we did with a young setter that was not yet pointing. We put out a bird for an older broke dog and let it point the bird. We brought the young setter in on a CC and stopped her. Next we picked her up and carried her up to the scent cone and stopped her again. I've tried the same thing with pups that were not yet pointing coveys. It worked for me.

I'd rather start with one which is pointing at a young age, but you have to take what you get, or at least I do.

You can do it in the field with wild birds, but I agree with all the replies. It's better to set it up with pen raised birds or pigeons.
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#5492498 - 12/22/14 08:54 AM Re: Pointing [Re: kpaw]
kpaw Offline
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Registered: 10/10/14
Posts: 20
Thanks everyone, sorry for the slow reply, was out guiding deer hunts all weekend. I will start putting this all together and working more with her over the xmas break. Ill post an update once I have some progress.

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