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#5482582 - 12/16/14 10:39 PM long time enthusiast, first time owner. economy rifle advice!
thatoneguy Offline
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Registered: 12/15/14
Posts: 47
so as the title suggest, i have supported our gun rights since i was a kid. pellet guns and what not, but now that i actually have a hunting buddy, i need some advice from the more experienced.
now, i am a college student. so a winchester legend or a s&w masterpiece is totally out of the question.
but it seems "budget rifles" are gaining some ground. ive looked at a few and asked on other places specifically for just rifles, about the mossberg 100 ATR, the savage axis, remington 700, the marlin x7y, and the ruger american.
and i have narrowed down my options to the

ruger american

and the mossberg 100 ATR

im leaning more towards the ruger american, seeing as ruger seems to be a little more trust worthy than mossberg rifles. i know mossberg shotguns are great, but some of the things ive read about mossberg rifles...makes me doubt it. the ruger american on the other hand, my buddy got it in .308 and i loved it! granted its only been a few weeks since he's had it but i feel like ruger would be the best choice! anybody own these? it will be my designated hunting rifle. but it will go to the range more just so that i can get comfortable with it. and practice my accuracy. so what do you guys think between the 2? good hunting rifle for a beginner? would it be worth the hassle in the long run?
now for caliber. im down to either:

22-250

or

.243

i plan on hunting coyote mostly, but lets face it, when a man wants some deer jerky, you just cant calm it down with beef jerky! so i would like something that with good shot placement will down a deer quickly. i hate to see deer suffer, coyotes i dont care, but deer are not only tasty, but beautiful!
so i want something that will give a coyote the business and down me a white tail or an axis whenever i get the craving for deer jerky.
im not really concerned about leaving the coyote pelt intact, i mean i would like some coyote mittens and a coyote blanket and a coyote coat. but im not to worried about it. but it would be nice. any thoughts on which caliber to get?
thanks in advance!

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#5482601 - 12/16/14 10:55 PM Re: long time enthusiast, first time owner. economy rifle advice! [Re: thatoneguy]
BushFamilyNine Offline
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As a college student, are you saying no reloading and no other guns bought for a while? Given this, I would go for the .243 as you can walk into pretty much any gun shop and find a commercial over the counter load for any animal you would want to shoot.

Do both rifles have the same barrel length? I think the .243 would do what you want just fine in the short barrel of the ruger american.

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#5482610 - 12/16/14 11:00 PM Re: long time enthusiast, first time owner. economy rifle advice! [Re: thatoneguy]
thatoneguy Offline
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Registered: 12/15/14
Posts: 47
in a nut shell yes haha i might have a weekend or two to do whatever, but for the most part it will sit on my bed. and yes, both have 22" barrel. there is a compact version of the american with an 18" barrel. but what difference does the barrel length make? just the twist difference? and i like the longer barrel look, but if the compact will do a better job i may just get it.

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#5482612 - 12/16/14 11:01 PM Re: long time enthusiast, first time owner. economy rifle advice! [Re: thatoneguy]
rjd Offline
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Registered: 11/22/06
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Loc: Mabank, TEXAS
Of those two, I would go with the Ruger. I believe it comes with a Redfield scope, which is a much better than average "kit gun" scope. The .243, while one of my least favorite rounds, would be my choice for your needs.. That combo should serve you very well.

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#5482616 - 12/16/14 11:04 PM Re: long time enthusiast, first time owner. economy rifle advice! [Re: thatoneguy]
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Registered: 09/01/04
Posts: 4535
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Welcome aboard...of those 2 choices and not having owned or shot either, I'd favor the Ruger. But in the Low End category price range of $400+/- I'd have a lot more interest in the Thompson Center Venture than either of the brands you've mentioned based on features and warranty.

Use the Ole Yellow Pad approach, and A. list what's important to you as you understand your needs today...and list the attributes of the compared products side by side. Then B. on a 2nd page list the attributes of the chosen products side by side feature to feature & avg advertised price to price and see how they stack up. Warranty aka "factory support" is a big thing with me. Use the products Home Page Spec Sheets for data.

Caliber choices are a personal thing with most people based on input from respected peer pressures for a given job. FWIW over time you'll find that hunting rifles are more like golf clubs than you could imagine...later on you'll be wanting other rifles for more specific job's...or ...settle for the Great Average Do All rifle & caliber based on your usage patterns and desires yet to be identified.

Above all Have Fun and don't sweat the small stuff.
Ron

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It is more important that the gun FIT you well when you shoulder & sight it at the an imaginary critter than the name plate on the barrel... all other things being equal or close.


Edited by WileyCoyote (12/17/14 10:56 AM)
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#5482621 - 12/16/14 11:08 PM Re: long time enthusiast, first time owner. economy rifle advice! [Re: thatoneguy]
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Ruger 243.. hands down top with with some quality glass


Edited by daniel1381 (12/16/14 11:08 PM)
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#5482626 - 12/16/14 11:13 PM Re: long time enthusiast, first time owner. economy rifle advice! [Re: thatoneguy]
rjd Offline
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Registered: 11/22/06
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Loc: Mabank, TEXAS
Ron gives good advice. I would heed his words if I were you.

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#5482627 - 12/16/14 11:18 PM Re: long time enthusiast, first time owner. economy rifle advice! [Re: thatoneguy]
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Loc: Forney, Tx
With the options you listed the Ruger in 243. But I have to add my 2cents take a look at the Savage Axis II, it now has the accutrigger.
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#5482636 - 12/16/14 11:29 PM Re: long time enthusiast, first time owner. economy rifle advice! [Re: thatoneguy]
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I've never cared for Mossberg shotguns and I have been interested in a Ruger American Predator. The Predator comes with the scope rail and a threaded barrel for a suppressor.
A 243 should work great for both coyotes and deer. And like mentioned, it's a very common round you can purchase most anywhere.
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#5482652 - 12/16/14 11:42 PM Re: long time enthusiast, first time owner. economy rifle advice! [Re: thatoneguy]
thatoneguy Offline
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Registered: 12/15/14
Posts: 47
looks like .243 has majority vote! im actually going to shoot my buddies .243 this coming weekend, so i'll see if i like it or not. i imagine it kicks alot less than the .308? the .308 felt more like a light thud. but the recoil threw my second shot off. still loved it! and ron thank you for that bit of advice, i will be doing that first thing in the morning. and i saw the axis II but i still wasnt sold on it, granted it looks good. but some reviews made me doubt savage. granted the ruger has some issues here and there. but not as bad as the remi 700 or the axis.
i saw one guy with a remington 700 straight out the box with the bolt really loose and wobbly. and the axis. i held one it just didnt feel right in my hands, felt to back heavy to me. didn't shoot it tho. it was a 30-06, maybe that had something to do with it, but i love the feeling of the ruger. felt pretty balanced. the mossberg was an option because i had no idea mossberg made rifles! i thought they were all shotgun. so i thought it would be nice. but .243 it is! i imagine shooting a lighter grain to leave more pelt in tact?

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#5482654 - 12/16/14 11:44 PM Re: long time enthusiast, first time owner. economy rifle advice! [Re: thatoneguy]
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I'd like to see pictures of this coyote coat and mittens
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#5482660 - 12/16/14 11:48 PM Re: long time enthusiast, first time owner. economy rifle advice! [Re: thatoneguy]
thatoneguy Offline
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Registered: 12/15/14
Posts: 47
as soon as i pick some off and have the hides ready. i will try to find someone to make coyote mittens and a coyote coat! i cant be the only one with this idea!

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#5482674 - 12/17/14 12:27 AM Re: long time enthusiast, first time owner. economy rifle advice! [Re: thatoneguy]
BigPig Online   content
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Registered: 08/27/09
Posts: 9549
Loc: Forney, Tx
A 243 isn't going to hurt the pelt at all. I looked into having a real coon skin hat made, prices were between $400-$700, I decided I didn't need one that bad.
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#5482677 - 12/17/14 12:47 AM Re: long time enthusiast, first time owner. economy rifle advice! [Re: thatoneguy]
jab3006 Offline
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Registered: 09/15/12
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Loc: northeast texas
Ruger hands down.

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#5482760 - 12/17/14 06:17 AM Re: long time enthusiast, first time owner. economy rifle advice! [Re: thatoneguy]
jhenderson Offline
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Registered: 02/07/10
Posts: 5061
Loc: The colony
I'd do the ruger in 243 because 22-250 is hard to find a lot of times and no where near as cheap

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