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#5475121 - 12/13/14 09:27 PM Hunting rifle...target rifle...both...Same
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Registered: 08/27/08
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Guys,

I keep reading about "hunting" rifles and "target" rifles,especially where scopes are concerned, so I got to wondering about it and it made me curious...

How many of you guys have target rifles and hunting rifles?

How many of you guys have rifles that serve both purposes?

What kind of rifle do you hunt with? Deer? Hogs? Elk? Are they one and the same? What kind of svopes do you use?

What kind of target rifle do you have? What kind of scope sits on top? What type of shooting do you enjoy most? Hitting steel? Seeing how tight of groups you can get? At what yardage?

If you have one or more that serve both hunting and target purposes what are they? What scope are you running?

I know when I built my first custom rifle my intent was to use it for both...that didn't work out. I love the rifle but it's just way too heavy to be lugging it around while hunting. So that's really the reason I'm asking these questions. Also for those who use the same rifle for both what does your rig weigh?

Thanks,

Mel

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#5475131 - 12/13/14 09:34 PM Re: Hunting rifle...target rifle...both...Same [Re: Deerhunter61]
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Registered: 05/27/09
Posts: 1749
Loc: S.A. and Kinney Co.
Sometimes I use my AIAW 308 match rifle (17#) and sometimes i use my 300wsm hunting rifle(10#) and a 22-250 hybrid rifle (12#).... depends on how I feel that day. Before I had my 300 built, all I had was the AW and I lugged it up trees, in blinds, rattled with, cross country and in the truck.... never did feel
disadvantaged.....

w/ my 308, distance is the last thing I consider before taking the shot.

kt


Edited by SingleShot85 (12/13/14 09:46 PM)
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#5475166 - 12/13/14 09:59 PM Re: Hunting rifle...target rifle...both...Same [Re: Deerhunter61]
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I use my 22 creed for everything inside of Elk.
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#5475172 - 12/13/14 10:03 PM Re: Hunting rifle...target rifle...both...Same [Re: Deerhunter61]
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Mine serve both purposes target/hunting or are just fun.

Cooper M52 in 6.5-284 with Swaro Z6 2.5-15 serves for both. Mostly hunt with it but on occasion will get out to 7-800 yards and bust a rock or two. Works well for targets also shooting for groups, though I do not do that as much as I should. 9.5lbs with scope

Remington 700 with a 27 inch 22-243 1:8 twist barrel and a 3-9 Kahles, do about the same but with that scope keep shots to 600 and under, not that the rifle is not capable of more but the combination that is as far as I am comfortable with it. Fun deer and hog gun especially with 75gr Swift Siroccos. Strange when I take that one hunting the game seems to show up inside 40 yards a lot of the time. about 9lbs

Several others serve dual purpose while others are just plane fun to shoot, like the Marlin 1894 25-20 and another in 357. Dakota Little Sharps in 38-55 is another that is fun. Most of my guns are hunting or fun shooting/plinking.
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#5475191 - 12/13/14 10:11 PM Re: Hunting rifle...target rifle...both...Same [Re: Deerhunter61]
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My target/hunting rifle is my DPMS AR that is built for three gun. My hunting rifle is a 700 CDL 30-06.
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#5475200 - 12/13/14 10:18 PM Re: Hunting rifle...target rifle...both...Same [Re: Deerhunter61]
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Registered: 08/19/11
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Loc: CO
I'm shooting a custom Rem 700 .300WM with a Lilja stainless match 27" barrel in a Mcrees Chassis with a Schmidt and Bender 5-25x56 with some other goodies. Weighs about 21 lbs with the suppressor.

I hunt and shoot steel/groups with it, and I love it. It's definitely heavy for a hunting rifle, but I prefer to set up prone and take longer shots when I hunt. I've taken it out to 1k twice (not very many places to do it in my location) but I can shoot 500-600yds every week, sometimes multiple times a week at a local range. The owner won't let us take it out any further due to lack of adequate berms, totally understandable.

I shot a doe earlier this season. I have to admit it was not a far shot, only 90 yards. Had to get some meat in the freezer. Out of a blind, it was a bit tough supporting that heavy rifle, but I managed to drop her. That 208 amax just ruined her whole day.

I'm a pretty big guy (6'6"/225) so a 21lb rifle isn't too bad. I walked about 2 miles with it hunting this season, and I was fine. I have plans on getting a TAB Elite Biathlon sling in the future, I've heard they are awesome for carrying heavier rifles.

Hoping to get on some pigs/yotes later this year, hopefully some at longer ranges.

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#5475204 - 12/13/14 10:21 PM Re: Hunting rifle...target rifle...both...Same [Re: Deerhunter61]
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My 6.5 creed weighs in at under 8.5. Its handi and just right

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#5475250 - 12/13/14 10:56 PM Re: Hunting rifle...target rifle...both...Same [Re: Deerhunter61]
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Registered: 01/21/11
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21 lbs will make most grown men whimper after 20 minutes. My 12 lber makes some cry a little but not too bad. It's my loaner. If they cry too much, I'll carry both theirs and mine. My 700 is light as heck so I don't mind.

I think it all depends on how comfortable you are shooting a particular gun, and is it worth it to you to carry it, based on that comfort factor over another that you may not have such confidence in.
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#5475277 - 12/13/14 11:24 PM Re: Hunting rifle...target rifle...both...Same [Re: Deerhunter61]
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Registered: 12/11/12
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Was truly humbled on this topic when somebody pointed out how can a 50 lb overweight hunter complain about a rifle that is 3 lbs heavier than he thinks it should be.

My guns pull double duty but I admit idly don't hike them in a lot
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#5475302 - 12/13/14 11:54 PM Re: Hunting rifle...target rifle...both...Same [Re: Deerhunter61]
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It's my opinion that hunting rifles and target rifles are best used in the manner in which they are named/designed. A 15lb target rifle whilst may be accurate, won't make for a serious good spot and stalk or mountain hunting rifle. I hear weight multiplies every 1000FT of elevation gained...

While a hunting rifle may shoot accurately, it won't be suited well for serious target shooting. Less overall stability, more recoil due to weight, heat dissipation, etc...

Obviously if you drive your truck up to the deer blind rifle weight isn't as critical.
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#5475467 - 12/14/14 08:02 AM Re: Hunting rifle...target rifle...both...Same [Re: TDK]
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The prospect of having to hunt with a 21 lb rifle--or even one that weighs 12 lbs--with its 26" barrel and ponderous scope, chills me right down to the marrow of my bones.

Imagine rattling up a buck and having to quickly get in action. What are you going to do when your PH throws up the sticks and tells you to shoot the kudu second from the left, NOW!!? And next fall you're on a backpack hunt for a Dall ram in the McKenzies...or maybe here at home for a free-range aoudad in the Chinati Range. That's when you find out that your dream custom rifle is really a specialized rig that has little application beyond the closest available benchrest or bipod.

There is a reason why riflemen a long time ago set the parameters for the ideal hunting rifle. And it doesn't resemble your LR gun or prairie dog outfit.

The lesson to be learned is that one rifle isn't enough to cover all the bases. And it's why I'm always needing "just one more gun"....
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#5475525 - 12/14/14 08:44 AM Re: Hunting rifle...target rifle...both...Same [Re: dawaba]
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Originally Posted By: dawaba
Imagine rattling up a buck and having to quickly get in action. What are you going to do when your PH throws up the sticks and tells you to shoot the kudu second from the left, NOW!!? And next fall you're on a backpack hunt for a Dall ram in the McKenzies...or maybe here at home for a free-range aoudad in the Chinati Range. That's when you find out that your dream custom rifle is really a specialized rig that has little application beyond the closest available benchrest or bipod.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I only dream of this...lol

Originally Posted By: dawaba
There is a reason why riflemen a long time ago set the parameters for the ideal hunting rifle. And it doesn't resemble your LR gun or prairie dog outfit.


Yep...found that out...

Originally Posted By: dawaba
The lesson to be learned is that one rifle isn't enough to cover all the bases. And it's why I'm always needing "just one more gun"....


Couldn't agree more! happy3

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#5475575 - 12/14/14 09:20 AM Re: Hunting rifle...target rifle...both...Same [Re: Deerhunter61]
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Registered: 03/09/09
Posts: 1709
Accuracy International with a Nightforce 5-22x56, SFP with MOA/MOA, and 175 Sierra Match Kings for everything.

Hunting



Target duty.


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#5475602 - 12/14/14 09:33 AM Re: Hunting rifle...target rifle...both...Same [Re: Deerhunter61]
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Registered: 12/16/08
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Loc: Wolfe City, TX
6.5 Creedmoor built to compete but rides to and from the range for coyotes or hogs I spot. 15 pounds.

7 Rem Mag built to hunt large game but has also been used to bang steel outside 1000 yards on occasion. Has been taken to a mile. Weighs 10 pounds.

22-250 is used for prairie dogs, weighs 12 pounds.

All wear first focal plane Mil/Mil scopes. Punching paper is boring. I only do it to check 100 yard zero and to do load development on a new rifle or new barrel, then I'm done with paper. I do not shoot groups for fun. I make a hit on something and its hit I wont hit it again typically.
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#5475679 - 12/14/14 10:22 AM Re: Hunting rifle...target rifle...both...Same [Re: Deerhunter61]
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I shoot at paper whenever the weather is right, sometimes I shoot at steel but not as often. Most times I get out once, maybe twice a week.

My range guns tend to be heavy with powerful optics so I can skip the spotting scope. My hunting rifles now currently all sport 2-7 variables and weigh a pound or two less than the range guns. I do not own anything that weighs more than nine pounds. When I shoot the hunting rifles at the range, I bring the spotting scope along.

The only thing that I have that serves double-duty is my Winchester 1885 single-shot in 270WSM, I shoot it with reduced loads at the range, and it is so accurate with them that it gives my dedicated .223 range gun some stiff competition.

I highly recommend that owners of magnum rifles who like to shoot at the range develop a reduced load that's easy on the barrel, your shoulder and your pocketbook for extended trigger practice at the range.

My range load for the 270WSM pushes a 130 grain bullet at around 2000 fps, making tiny bug-hole groups.

Works for me!


Edited by charlesb (12/14/14 10:25 AM)
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