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#5472187 - 12/11/14 08:11 PM Big Bad 45 Colt (and rambling)
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Ok, not so much. I started with a minimum load. Since I have the Super Redhawk Alaskan I thought I would try some hot 45 Colt loads. I have some 360 grain CPB bullets for the 454 and H110. I loaded 18 grains of H110 (Hodgdon minimum) under the 360 CPB. Results were surprising for the 2.5" barrel SRHA. The recoil was very manageable, I did have a large flame front (shooting at night), and it was very loud. Hodgdon says 20,200 CUP. Of course nice round primers. No obvious signs of pressure.

On the left 250gr RNFP
On the right 360gr LFN GC with a big crimp



Edited by wp75169 (12/11/14 08:59 PM)

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#5472216 - 12/11/14 08:40 PM Re: Big Bad 45 Colt [Re: wp75169]
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And since there is always a thread going on about bench pics here's mine.

And yes as you see my presses are both Lee. My scale is Lyman, dies are a mix of Lee, RCBS, and Dillon. All primers are Winchester and Remington. Powder drop is Lee. OAL trimmer is Lyman. Books are Nosler and Hornady. Lots of lead in the lower box on the right. Reloading tools and hand tools in the drawers on the left.




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#5472646 - 12/12/14 07:50 AM Re: Big Bad 45 Colt [Re: wp75169]
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Nice bench.

I have a 45 colt ruger Blackhawk. I love the plinking loads. That 250 grain RNFP at lower speeds makes a great trap gun and is a lot of fun just to shoot. For my hot loads im using IMR 4227 and 240 grain sierra hollow cavity's. Not as fun to shoot but they hit with authority.
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#5472916 - 12/12/14 10:03 AM Re: Big Bad 45 Colt [Re: wp75169]
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Wow, that 360 CPB looks awesome. I would love to know what is chronographs out of your Alaskan. I think I'll give it a try in my 45 Colt S&W Mountain Gun.
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#5473182 - 12/12/14 12:16 PM Re: Big Bad 45 Colt [Re: wp75169]
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BigDad Hodgdon says 1012 ft/s out of a 7.25" barrel. I'm guessing I'm running 750-800 out of the 2.5" Alaskan. Just shot it out of my 5.5" Vaquero and its rather stout for that grip. The suckers are also rather pricy but I think I'm going to enjoy them.

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#5473196 - 12/12/14 12:27 PM Re: Big Bad 45 Colt [Re: wp75169]
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How hot can you load a 45 Colt if used in a Ruger Blackhawk? (Standard Blackhawk) What is the velocity, muzzle energy?

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#5473220 - 12/12/14 12:43 PM Re: Big Bad 45 Colt [Re: wp75169]
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Dave I would suggest using book data. Ruger will only endorse the SAAMI max of 14,000. I personally do not have the knowledge to suggest otherwise. Some suggest the blackhawk is good to 30,000 CUP but that's information from individuals. Linebaugh did a lot of lab testing on this. you may want to research his data.

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#5473249 - 12/12/14 01:07 PM Re: Big Bad 45 Colt [Re: wp75169]
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Originally Posted By: wp75169
Dave I would suggest using book data. Ruger will only endorse the SAMMI max of 14,000. I personally do not have the knowledge to suggest otherwise. Some suggest the blackhawk is good to 30,000 CUP but that's information from individuals. Linebaugh did a lot of lab testing on this. you may want to research his data.


You sure about that? Book data includes loads for (Ruger, Freedom Arms, and TC) up to 30k CUP.

I have been running pressures well over 14k CUP out of my 7.5 inch barrel Blackhawk for quite a while...
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#5473295 - 12/12/14 01:45 PM Re: Big Bad 45 Colt [Re: redchevy]
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Originally Posted By: redchevy
Originally Posted By: wp75169
Dave I would suggest using book data. Ruger will only endorse the SAMMI max of 14,000. I personally do not have the knowledge to suggest otherwise. Some suggest the blackhawk is good to 30,000 CUP but that's information from individuals. Linebaugh did a lot of lab testing on this. you may want to research his data.


You sure about that? Book data includes loads for (Ruger, Freedom Arms, and TC) up to 30k CUP.

I have been running pressures well over 14k CUP out of my 7.5 inch barrel Blackhawk for quite a while...


I am only sure that Ruger for liability reasons will not endorse loads hotter than 14k. Case in point is my New Vaquero which is a smaller frame the the original Vaquero. The original framed guns including the Blackhawk have been tested independently up to a 60k bursting point and it has been said that half failure pressure is considered a safe operating pressure. This is where the 30k max load theory came from. That data did not come from ruger. The New Vaquero like mine with its smaller frame and cylinder has not been tested but is believed to be safe up to 23k. The cylinder and top strap on it are thicker than SAA and clones but not as large as the original.

Some newer manuals have took "Ruger Only" out of their books because of this new mid frame gun. I do realize he was talking about a Blackhawk which should be fine.

I guess im only suggesting load at your own risk past SAAMI specs. And yes, I do it. But I will not blame a book or weapons manufacturer when I blow myself up.

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#5473302 - 12/12/14 01:52 PM Re: Big Bad 45 Colt [Re: wp75169]
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Here's the info I was quoting. I knew I had read it somewhere.

http://www.customsixguns.com/writings/dissolving_the_myth.htm

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#5473370 - 12/12/14 02:31 PM Re: Big Bad 45 Colt [Re: wp75169]
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Very interesting... I had always loaded by the book as in ruger t/c freedom arms and thought that was fine. Now im gonna have to dig through my info and paperwork on the gun and see what it says. Coulndt find anything on Ruger's site.
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#5473411 - 12/12/14 03:04 PM Re: Big Bad 45 Colt [Re: wp75169]
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Just pulled the 45 lever action out of the safe. These wide flat nose bullets cycle nicely thru the rifle. Wish I would have took it with me this morning for testing.

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#5473579 - 12/12/14 05:25 PM Re: Big Bad 45 Colt [Re: wp75169]
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Originally Posted By: wp75169
Here's the info I was quoting. I knew I had read it somewhere.

http://www.customsixguns.com/writings/dissolving_the_myth.htm



Good information. Thanks cheers
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#5478358 - 12/15/14 10:32 AM Re: Big Bad 45 Colt (and rambling) [Re: wp75169]
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What are the trade offs between bullet weight and velocity? A heavier bullet generates more pressure but ought to drive deeper into a game animal. On a 45 Colt fired in a standard Ruger Black Hawk. As has been said, we don't want an unsafe load but if a more powerful than usual load can be handled with no apparent ill effect- what would be some combinations?
Usually, I believe, a lead bullet can be driven at a higher velocity than a jacketed bullet- at equal levels of pressure. Little is said however on whether a hardcast lead bullet or gas check changes pressure.
And....any reloading has hazards. If I recall, years ago guys loaded very small charges in a 38 Special using wadcutters and for some unknown reason it was a bad combination, the top straps on revolvers were getting blown off. According to the theory it should not have been happening.
So...if someone has shot an occasional load in 45 Colt- out of a standard Blackhawk, over a period of years, with no pressure signs or ill effects. that information would be good.


Edited by Dave Scott (12/15/14 10:35 AM)

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#5478428 - 12/15/14 10:56 AM Re: Big Bad 45 Colt (and rambling) [Re: wp75169]
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Quote:
Heavy .45 Colt +P - 325 gr. L.B.T.-L.F.N.(1,325fps/M.E.1,267 ft.lbs.) - 20 Round Box

These Heavy .45 Colt +P loads are safe in all LARGE FRAME Ruger revolvers.
(includes Blackhawk, Super Blackhawk, all pre-2005 Vaquero, Bisley, Redhawk)

These Heavy .45 Colt +P loads are NOT intended for the New Model Vaquero (small frame).

These loads are also safe in all modern Model 1892 leverguns
as well as all Winchester & Marlin 1894's


That quote is from Buffalo Bore website. They have been loading +P ammo for years and I have shot a few hundred rounds of the first load listed on this. Link without ill effects from a Ruger Blackhawk. Notice the new Model Vaquero (small frame) are not included for use with the +P loads. Have also loaded 300gr jacketed to max listed loads listed at 30K PSI for it.

Backed off those loads some, not for issues with the gun, but they do recoil in the Blackhawk more than I really liked. Only had about 500 rounds through the Blackhawk before I sold it to help fund another gun, but it was as tight as ever.
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