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#5460531 - 12/05/14 08:50 PM FL die vs neck die
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When do you use a neck sizing die instead of Full length die?

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#5460557 - 12/05/14 09:03 PM Re: FL die vs neck die [Re: jlsbassman]
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When you progress to the anal stage!
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#5460738 - 12/05/14 11:26 PM Re: FL die vs neck die [Re: jlsbassman]
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Originally Posted By: jlsbassman
When do you use a neck sizing die instead of Full length die?
neck size
when you're loading cases that were fired in your own rifle and you don't like to trim brass and want to get max case life. Also as one of the things if you're going for absolute max accuracy. FL size on new cases, some hunting rifles if neck sizing leaves them too tight - or you can usually just bump the shoulder back a tiny bit. And on semi autos like ar15 most of the time.

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#5460890 - 12/06/14 07:39 AM Re: FL die vs neck die [Re: jlsbassman]
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If you want to ensure that 100% of the time your rounds will chamber on the first try, exactly when you need them to, full length size everything. Especially with semi autos and hunting rifles. The accuracy differential between full length and neck only sizing - for the vast majority of shooters - is negligible.

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#5460892 - 12/06/14 07:40 AM Re: FL die vs neck die [Re: jlsbassman]
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So if loading for 2 different gun in same caliber more than likely need to FL size.

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#5460902 - 12/06/14 07:46 AM Re: FL die vs neck die [Re: jlsbassman]
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Yes, most likely.

It is probably that the chambers in the two rifles will be slightly different. Brass fired in one gun that is only neck sized may or may not fit in the other rifle's chamber, and vice versa. FL sizing will allow you to use all of the brass in either rifle's chamber consistently.

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#5460903 - 12/06/14 07:47 AM Re: FL die vs neck die [Re: jlsbassman]
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Either that, or, if you simply think you must neck size for some reason, you will have to keep your brass separated by which rifle fired it, and adjust you neck sizing die for each group of cases.

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#5460904 - 12/06/14 07:47 AM Re: FL die vs neck die [Re: jlsbassman]
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At some point, you will have to bump the shoulder back on the cases regardless.

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#5460954 - 12/06/14 08:18 AM Re: FL die vs neck die [Re: jlsbassman]
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Reason for asking is I was getting ready to buy a new set of dies. Whether to buy just FL set or spend the extra and a set with the neck sizer die also.


Edited by jlsbassman (12/06/14 08:19 AM)

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#5461050 - 12/06/14 09:38 AM Re: FL die vs neck die [Re: jlsbassman]
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Originally Posted By: jlsbassman
When do you use a neck sizing die instead of Full length die?


NEVER!

I full length size everything, every time. And they all get a .003" bump on the shoulders. I want them to make all the velocity they can and I want them to chamber every time. I do not want to get a case stuck in a chamber after it has been fired. It's a terrible feeling to have to beat a bolt back with the palm of your hand.
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#5461052 - 12/06/14 09:40 AM Re: FL die vs neck die [Re: RiverRider]
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When you progress to the anal stage!


I resemble that remark.
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#5461072 - 12/06/14 09:54 AM Re: FL die vs neck die [Re: jlsbassman]
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Sounds like FL.

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#5461171 - 12/06/14 11:10 AM Re: FL die vs neck die [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: RiverRider
When you progress to the anal stage!


I resemble that remark.


welcome
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#5461459 - 12/06/14 03:10 PM Re: FL die vs neck die [Re: jlsbassman]
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See my response to your "Case Life" post. I full-length resize my brass for all the reasons stated above, except for my .300 WM, which has a long chamber and allows the brass to stretch excessively.

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#5461779 - 12/06/14 06:55 PM Re: FL die vs neck die [Re: jlsbassman]
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I got such good results from use of a Lee collet die with my 223, I now have that type die for all my calibers. For shoulder bumping I use Redding Body Dies when the cases get a little snug when they are chambered. This approach was reached after much use of FL dies, NK dies, and FL Bushing dies. And...no case lube is needed with the Lee Collet Dies, which speeds things up a good bit.

I am not a long range shooter or competition shooter, so what those guys say has higher value than what I have to offer, but the above gives me best accuracy.

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