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Whitetail, Mule Deer, Elk, Bear, Larger Exotics
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12/05/14 02:23 AM
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Looking to purchase a nice rifle for the above game. Wanting to hear some opinions on calibers.
I have a safe full of sub .30 rifles. Looking for something for larger game without being overkill.
Thinking in the 300 win mag range.
Lets hear some preferences.
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Re: Whitetail, Mule Deer, Elk, Bear, Larger Exotics
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12/05/14 02:38 AM
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Re: Whitetail, Mule Deer, Elk, Bear, Larger Exotics
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12/05/14 02:38 AM
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If talking brown bear I might would bump to a 338wm.
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Re: Whitetail, Mule Deer, Elk, Bear, Larger Exotics
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12/05/14 02:46 AM
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Lots of cartridges will work for the list. The one you are looking at is a good one as are any or the other 30cal magnums. Don't count out the 8mms, 338 Win which are big for whitetail IMO but sure would work and if a handloader you can load them down for those.
Even the 30-06 and its larger siblings 338-06 and 35 Whelen or 350 Remington Mag are good choices.
lf the saying "Liar, Liar your pants on fire" were true Mainstream news might be fun to watch
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Re: Whitetail, Mule Deer, Elk, Bear, Larger Exotics
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12/05/14 02:48 AM
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New week, standard answer.
300 Win Mag or 7 Rem Mag.
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Re: Whitetail, Mule Deer, Elk, Bear, Larger Exotics
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12/05/14 03:03 AM
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Any major upside to the 300 WSM versus regular 300 ?
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Re: Whitetail, Mule Deer, Elk, Bear, Larger Exotics
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12/05/14 03:22 AM
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Nope.
Doesn't make the same velocity, harder to make it shoot, brass is less plentiful. And for what? Fraction of an inch of shorter bolt stroke?
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Re: Whitetail, Mule Deer, Elk, Bear, Larger Exotics
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12/05/14 03:27 AM
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Kind of what I thought. Wasn't sure if I was missing something.
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Re: Whitetail, Mule Deer, Elk, Bear, Larger Exotics
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12/05/14 01:41 PM
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Nope.
Doesn't make the same velocity, harder to make it shoot, brass is less plentiful. And for what? Fraction of an inch of shorter bolt stroke? Too bad they sold a ton of guns chambered in that caliber before they figured that out
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Re: Whitetail, Mule Deer, Elk, Bear, Larger Exotics
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12/05/14 02:37 PM
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My next will be a 300 WM, pricing them now
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Re: Whitetail, Mule Deer, Elk, Bear, Larger Exotics
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12/05/14 02:47 PM
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New week, standard answer.
300 Win Mag or 7 Rem Mag. Bingo, Better specify what bear. The TV show we sponsor we had been doing 7 mags but up in BC on grizzly the guide would not even let them point at a bear with a 7, was their policy. so to be safe 300 win
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Re: Whitetail, Mule Deer, Elk, Bear, Larger Exotics
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12/05/14 02:54 PM
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Stupid policy.
He should ask "what bullet is the 7 shooting?"
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Re: Whitetail, Mule Deer, Elk, Bear, Larger Exotics
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12/05/14 03:12 PM
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Stupid policy.
He should ask "what bullet is the 7 shooting?" I agree completely. No grizzly will ever know the difference between a 7 mag and a .300 mag, assuming similar bullets are used. And...you could make an argument that the average Joe Nimrod can shoot a big seven better than he can a .300, thus putting the bullet in the right spot. Guides and outfitters are only human too, and they all have their prejudices, just as we do here on the THF. It may be easier just to follow the guide's recommendation than to argue. My favorite black bear outfitter in SE Alaska insists that his hunters shoot nothing smaller than a .338WM, and when one in our party of four brought along his .30-06, I thought the guide was going to blow a gasket. And guess what? The old Springfield did the job just as cleanly as the big magnums!
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Re: Whitetail, Mule Deer, Elk, Bear, Larger Exotics
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12/05/14 05:23 PM
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Would be awesome to see someone show up with reduced recoil 300's and another guy with a 190 gr. 7 and not be able to use it.
I had a guy tell me a 6.5 creed isn't the best for a Aoudad and that he recommends using his 708. Shake my head and walk away, im not going to argue or listen over 20 grains of bullet
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Re: Whitetail, Mule Deer, Elk, Bear, Larger Exotics
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12/05/14 06:12 PM
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Right.
7mm 180 gr. VLD 3000 fps MV
Ft/lbs. 100 yards 3278 200 yards 2971 300 yards 2686 400 yards 2423 500 yards 2181 Skip out to a grand and it shows up with 1237 ft/lbs.
Is that enough gun?
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Re: Whitetail, Mule Deer, Elk, Bear, Larger Exotics
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12/05/14 06:40 PM
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Nope.
Doesn't make the same velocity, harder to make it shoot, brass is less plentiful. And for what? Fraction of an inch of shorter bolt stroke? Too bad they sold a ton of guns chambered in that caliber before they figured that out The value is short action/long action. Weight. If that's important to you. It is to some. The whole reason the WSMs and SAUMs were introduced. The 150-200 fps velocity "bump" the .270 WSM got was just a happy surprise....
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Re: Whitetail, Mule Deer, Elk, Bear, Larger Exotics
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12/05/14 06:45 PM
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Id just use my .270
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Re: Whitetail, Mule Deer, Elk, Bear, Larger Exotics
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12/05/14 06:48 PM
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New week, standard answer.
300 Win Mag or 7 Rem Mag. X2 with emphasis on the 300
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Re: Whitetail, Mule Deer, Elk, Bear, Larger Exotics
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12/05/14 06:58 PM
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Everybody needs a .300 Win Mag. After you have one, you're pretty much just jacking around trying to justify yourself with other calibers.
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.
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Re: Whitetail, Mule Deer, Elk, Bear, Larger Exotics
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12/05/14 07:03 PM
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Sounds like you have most of whats on your list covered with your sub 30 cal rifles. Why look for one to do all? Just solve your problem and by a big one then you have a gun to do whatever you want and it fits the bill well for wherever your at. You don't have to worry about being over kill for WT and you don't have to worry about being undergunned for elk, moose, big bear etc.
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Re: Whitetail, Mule Deer, Elk, Bear, Larger Exotics
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12/07/14 05:10 AM
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If you have a 270,280 ect, I think the logical step would be a 338, or a 375. I really like a 375. It can be a big stick, or shoot across a canyon if needed. Street legal for all dangerous game on the planet, and has a ton more WOW factor-- more than any 300 mag. Once you master it and start shooting big game with it you will be hard pressed to go back.
Ed
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Re: Whitetail, Mule Deer, Elk, Bear, Larger Exotics
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12/07/14 02:36 PM
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9.3x62 Mauser. It has been killing game for more than 100 years.
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Re: Whitetail, Mule Deer, Elk, Bear, Larger Exotics
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12/07/14 04:39 PM
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Re: Whitetail, Mule Deer, Elk, Bear, Larger Exotics
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12/07/14 04:43 PM
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What the very astute NG said +1
With modern powder & boolits some of the midweight range bullets like the 250gr TSX & NAB's will get reaaal close to 338WMg MV's in the same weight bullet, and not give up much in penetration or BC's out to +/- 400 yards like the WMg...and without the owie on the shoulder doing it. BTDT. Ron
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Re: Whitetail, Mule Deer, Elk, Bear, Larger Exotics
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Everybody needs a .300 Win Mag. After you have one, you're pretty much just jacking around trying to justify yourself with other calibers. I might agree with you if you would have said 338,375, but apparently you have not shot anything bigger than an elk, or hunted anything more dangerous than a pronghorn. I took a brown bear a few years ago and was glad to have brought a 375, could I have killed him witha 300?..sure...but I liked the bigger gun. I have shot a host of African game from eland to Cape buffalo and I can tell you the 375 opens up opportunities that you would have to Pick and choose with a 300. My 375 RUM will do anything your 300 will, but my 375 will do some things that your 300 will not. I understand if you do not want to go that big, and I think everyone should own at least one 300...I have 3...but saying a 300 is the one gun for all is stretching a bit ( like I said if you would have said 338, or 340 I might have agreed--but 30 cal--I know guys like Elgin Gates, and Herb Klein did kill the world with a 300, and Bell shot a few hundred elephants with a 7x57...but for the mere mortal like myself, I perfer a bigger gun. Just my opinion. Ed
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