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Cartidge comparison
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12/05/14 03:04 PM
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Just looking strictly at OTC available ammo, strictly in Nosler Accubond (one because I like them, two because you gotta narrow the field somehow), comparing the 150gr LR Accubond in .280AI, vs 7mm mag 160gr Accubond......according to my Ballistics App, the two are pretty dang close. Out to 400yrds, the 7MM has a touch more energy, at 400yrds they cross, and out to 1000yrds the 280AI has a slight edge. The 280AI has a very slight edge on bullet drop from zero to 1000yrds.
Now, granted your comparing a 150gr vs 160gr bullet, and there are up to about 180gr in 7MM, and up to about 160gr if you switch to partitions in 280AI, and of course if you reload you can get up a touch larger with the 280AI.
Bottom line, what advantage does a 7MM have over the 280AI for larger game, Elk, bear (no plans of shooting currently!), Aoudad, etc? consider shots out to say 600yrds for conversation sake, and interested in knockdown power comparison.
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Re: Cartidge comparison
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12/05/14 03:19 PM
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They are both very similar. The 7 mag will yield about 100 fps more velocity than the 280ai, since it holds more powder. 7 mag ammo will be much easier to find in a factory offering.
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Re: Cartidge comparison
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12/05/14 03:33 PM
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^^What Chad said^^
Mine is a hand load. 180 gr leaving at 3000 fps out of a 7 Rem Mag, hits like a freight train. While a 280 is an awesome cartridge it's not on the same level as a heavy bullet out of the Rem Mag. 8 pound sledge versus a 6 pound sledge. Both will dang sure put the whoopin on something.
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Re: Cartidge comparison
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12/05/14 04:39 PM
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Re: Cartidge comparison
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12/05/14 06:06 PM
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Re: Cartidge comparison
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12/05/14 06:14 PM
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So if the 280AI is only about 100 fps behind the 7 mag then I can expect to get 2900 fps out of a 280 AI throwing a 180 grain?
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Re: Cartidge comparison
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12/05/14 06:19 PM
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Just posted this in the whitetail, mule deer thread.
7mm 180 gr. VLD 3000 fps MV
Ft/lbs. 100 yards 3278 200 yards 2971 300 yards 2686 400 yards 2423 500 yards 2181 Skip out to a grand and it shows up with 1237 ft/lbs.
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Re: Cartidge comparison
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12/05/14 06:23 PM
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So if the 280AI is only about 100 fps behind the 7 mag then I can expect to get 2900 fps out of a 280 AI throwing a 180 grain? Don't think so. When my 7 Rem Mag barrel was brand new, with virgin brass it was making 2935 fps MV on a compressed load of Retumbo. Barrel got seasoned up and now have a .003" bump on the shoulder, I get 3000 out of it. I'm on the razors edge of too hot, seeing an extractor mark occasionally. I don't see how its physically possible for a 280 A.I. to make the same velocity. There's not enough room in the case to put 71.2 gr of powder.
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Re: Cartidge comparison
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12/05/14 06:29 PM
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Yeah that's what I was thinking.
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Re: Cartidge comparison
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12/06/14 10:28 PM
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If the bullet you killed with - no matter the weight - went in one side & out the other.....what difference does it make what weight it was?
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12/07/14 01:48 AM
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If the bullet you killed with - no matter the weight - went in one side & out the other.....what difference does it make what weight it was? Heavier bullet traveling same/faster velocity will carry more kinetic energy thus has more hydro-static shock. So, even if there is an entrance and exit wound the harder hitting heavier bullet would be preferred. It simply gives a larger margin of error for an imperfect shot. There are those, of course, that totally discount the idea of hydro-static shock and it's effectiveness of causing a higher probability of killing animals. Using today's advanced bullet designs I'd guess that bullet construction plays a bigger role than weight when shooting animals with bullets from magnum calibers. .
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Re: Cartidge comparison
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12/07/14 04:49 AM
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Not much...inside 300 where most game is shot, there is no difference.
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Re: Cartidge comparison
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12/07/14 03:28 PM
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Offerings for 280AI- 6 Offerings for 7Mag- 63
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Re: Cartidge comparison
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12/07/14 03:34 PM
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consider shots out to say 600yrds for conversation sake, and interested in knockdown power comparison. Shot placement is more important than power. Either are more than adequate with good shot placement, and both will fail without it. Finding a reliable combination of rifle, scope, ammo, and shooter, will be the key to success. Pick whichever you will actually regularly take to the range for practice including out to 600 yards.
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Re: Cartidge comparison
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12/07/14 04:13 PM
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consider shots out to say 600yrds for conversation sake, and interested in knockdown power comparison. Shot placement is more important than power. Either are more than adequate with good shot placement, and both will fail without it. Finding a reliable combination of rifle, scope, ammo, and shooter, will be the key to success. Pick whichever you will actually regularly take to the range for practice including out to 600 yards. ^^Wise words^^
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Re: Cartidge comparison
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12/07/14 06:29 PM
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consider shots out to say 600yrds for conversation sake, and interested in knockdown power comparison. Shot placement is more important than power. Either are more than adequate with good shot placement, and both will fail without it. Finding a reliable combination of rifle, scope, ammo, and shooter, will be the key to success. Pick whichever you will actually regularly take to the range for practice including out to 600 yards. ^^Wise words^^ Thank you FJG.
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