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#5450434 - 11/30/14 07:53 PM The Lion thread
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This one may go to crap in a hand basket, oh well. Watching 60 minutes, yeah liberal CBS. The segment was about a fella with a sanctuary of lions. He use to work for a place that is a breeding machine for lions in Africa.

Americans pay huge money to go to this park and pet kitten lions or smaller ones. The thing that just made me blow a head gasket? They sell the adult lions for canned Hunts!!!! Most of these so called hunters pay upwards of 100 GS. Why on Gods beautiful planet would one do this to these cats? As a hunter or seller. No wonder PETA tears us new ripe one. Deserving on this BS.
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#5450461 - 11/30/14 08:01 PM Re: The Lion thread [Re: 7mag]
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Is there any difference raiseing exotics or WT in breeding pens and releasing them to be killed ? I'm not stating if it's right or wrong just a question.
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#5450470 - 11/30/14 08:05 PM Re: The Lion thread [Re: Bawana59]
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Originally Posted By: Stagman1
Is there any difference raiseing exotics or WT in breeding pens and releasing them to be killed ?


Wow. I never gave it a thought that way. With that stated though. Don't we the hunters and outfitters always push how the species has strived because of our efforts? Interesting.

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#5450489 - 11/30/14 08:11 PM Re: The Lion thread [Re: 7mag]
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Africa is a whole other issue.

If you own a large ranch what do you think those lions would cost you over a years time in animals eaten?

Also have to remember densities. What's the home range of one pride?

Take the desities combined with feeding them and it economics 101.


As far as the show... Be very careful forming an opinion based on a slanted show.. Book you a lion hunt with a bow and tell me how friendly they are.

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#5450511 - 11/30/14 08:18 PM Re: The Lion thread [Re: 7mag]
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Your post would be better received on a Peta forum than here. Since you hunt in texas, I will assume you sit in a blind over a corn feeder and when that feeder goes off the deer come running. To many people in other areas, that is ludacris. I've flown in a helicopter and shot hogs before. People think that is nuts and unethical. To each their own, but unless someone is breaking the law or poaching then I would just relax and let people do their thing. If the law allows it, why attack fellow hunters?
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#5450515 - 11/30/14 08:20 PM Re: The Lion thread [Re: 7mag]
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Originally Posted By: 7mag
This one may go to crap in a hand basket, oh well. Watching 60 minutes, yeah liberal CBS. The segment was about a fella with a sanctuary of lions. He use to work for a place that is a breeding machine for lions in Africa.

Americans pay huge money to go to this park and pet kitten lions or smaller ones. The thing that just made me blow a head gasket? They sell the adult lions for canned Hunts!!!! Most of these so called hunters pay upwards of 100 GS. Why on Gods beautiful planet would one do this to these cats? As a hunter or seller. No wonder PETA tears us new ripe one. Deserving on this BS.


Sorry Sir, this is a very misunderstood market. If you would like to know more I know a Lion breeder. He would be more than happy to inform you the ins and outs. What you just posted is not exactly the way things happen. I have hunted Africa many times both "wild Africa" and fenced farms, and there is a lot of Gas spewed from people that have never been, nor understand.

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#5450548 - 11/30/14 08:28 PM Re: The Lion thread [Re: 7mag]
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I watched the 60 minutes piece as well. I think the point they mentioned that is pretty disappointing is the movement of the adult Lions that grew up in the "Petting Farms" to what they call a "canned hunt". There you have a Lion that was raised literally with hands on human contact, now being sold as a trophy hunt.

Don't care how you spin that, there is no way to call that "Sport" or hunting.

Charlie

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#5450552 - 11/30/14 08:29 PM Re: The Lion thread [Re: 7mag]
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You will not find a "wild" lion hunt in South Africa. In other countries they still have hunts for true wild lions in established prides but they are lotto winner expensive. It's the same thing we do here, buy critters turn em lose in a fence of whatever size and kill em. We use axis they lions no different. Look around and you'll find $6-8000 lioness hunts in South Africa for 5-7 days these cats were not captured and brought in and they are sure not "wild". I see no problem as all circumstances are different. Is 5000 acres of South African bush with electric fence fair? Is 10,000? Is an axis in 2000 acres of hill country? That's up to the hunter. You can thank Walt Disney and shows like 60 minutes for making lions out to be something other than just another animal. Honestly IMO some of these hunts are saving some of the truly wild prides as they are cheaper and some hunters that would be taking lions from wild prides may take these instead. I'd do it today.
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#5450577 - 11/30/14 08:36 PM Re: The Lion thread [Re: CharlieCTx]
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Originally Posted By: CharlieCTx
I watched the 60 minutes piece as well. I think the point they mentioned that is pretty disappointing is the movement of the adult Lions that grew up in the "Petting Farms" to what they call a "canned hunt". There you have a Lion that was raised literally with hands on human contact, now being sold as a trophy hunt.

Don't care how you spin that, there is no way to call that "Sport" or hunting.

Charlie


So please explain how sitting in a blind, playing on your cell phone, waiting for a feeder to go off is more of a sport than hunting an animal on the ground that could kill you?

For the record I hunt in stands over feeders so not bashing it, just trying to genuinely figure out how people justify their way and frown on other methods.
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#5450658 - 11/30/14 09:03 PM Re: The Lion thread [Re: 7mag]
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I agree 100% 7mag!
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#5450662 - 11/30/14 09:06 PM Re: The Lion thread [Re: 7mag]
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#5450687 - 11/30/14 09:14 PM Re: The Lion thread [Re: cmc]
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Originally Posted By: cmc
You will not find a "wild" lion hunt in South Africa. In other countries they still have hunts for true wild lions in established prides but they are lotto winner expensive. It's the same thing we do here, buy critters turn em lose in a fence of whatever size and kill em. We use axis they lions no different. Look around and you'll find $6-8000 lioness hunts in South Africa for 5-7 days these cats were not captured and brought in and they are sure not "wild". I see no problem as all circumstances are different. Is 5000 acres of South African bush with electric fence fair? Is 10,000? Is an axis in 2000 acres of hill country? That's up to the hunter. You can thank Walt Disney and shows like 60 minutes for making lions out to be something other than just another animal. Honestly IMO some of these hunts are saving some of the truly wild prides as they are cheaper and some hunters that would be taking lions from wild prides may take these instead. I'd do it today.



I agree with most of what you say, but your first statement is wrong. You can find a few Wild Lion hunts in South Africa. The Timbavarti has 2-3 every year, one or so in Kalserie, and maybe one other in the surrounding areas north of Kruger, but true it will be quite limited,and yes they are expensive. I have a friend that does fenced Lion hunts. His are expensive as he turns the Lions loose on an open farm of 11,200 ac. 20-30 days in advance of the hunt. In every case these Lions have killed a few animals by the time they are hunted, and I will tell you they are very wild. They are definitely not "eating out of your hand". I have never had a urge to shoot a Lion. You can either, track a Lion on a fenced property, or assassinate a wild Lion over bait. I like to hunt Elephant and buffalo, much more rewarding that Lion hunt to me. If you ask me can a Fenced Lion hunt be Sporting? I say it shure can be, if done right. Can it be canned? The answer is yes to that too...

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#5450706 - 11/30/14 09:24 PM Re: The Lion thread [Re: 7mag]
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Ed you're right I should never say never there are the few. I have a lot of opinions on this and should probably steer clear of this thread as I think the issue is not so much about lions as it is about personal believes and how people have been influenced to think that some animals are untouchable and what is done to them is somehow wrong when we are doing the exact same thing to other species but it's ok. Basically like in anything every person thinks what they are doing is the right thing and if you aren't doing it that way you are wrong.
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#5450798 - 11/30/14 09:52 PM Re: The Lion thread [Re: CharlieCTx]
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Originally Posted By: CharlieCTx
I watched the 60 minutes piece as well. I think the point they mentioned that is pretty disappointing is the movement of the adult Lions that grew up in the "Petting Farms" to what they call a "canned hunt". There you have a Lion that was raised literally with hands on human contact, now being sold as a trophy hunt.

Don't care how you spin that, there is no way to call that "Sport" or hunting.

Charlie
Thanks, Charlie. I could not have stated it better. I watched 60 minutes, too. Raising "petting animals" to be shot by so called "hunters". Pretty pathetic to say the least.
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#5450816 - 11/30/14 10:02 PM Re: The Lion thread [Re: 7mag]
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I'd rather shoot my lions from a fair chase situation, if I were to shoot one. The CBS piece was about "Canned hunts" with tame animals that have been raised from birth, with human contact, then stuck inside a small enclosure to be killed , once they mature. Canned hunts are illegal in Texas BTW.
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