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Re: I let my kids shoot the "good" deer [Re: dogcatcher] #5451198 12/01/14 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted By: dogcatcher
We let ours have fun, making the time as enjoyable as possible is what it is about. If the want to shoot, fine if they want to run through the pasture like wild Indians scaring everything within in miles that is also okay.


This is a great philosophy.. I doubt I'll have the patience to let my kids do that, but I think it'd be the best way to let them have the best time possible!

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I didn't start off shooting bull of the woods, when my wife said she wanted to try hunting I didn't start her off with the biggest buck I could find, and when my son starts hunting it wont be because he said daddy I want to shoot a deer, it will be I think he is old enough mature enough and capable enough and he too will no start off with the biggest buck we can find. In my mind whats best for the kid isn't getting them the biggest buck you can, it likely wont make a bit of difference to the kid never did to me and hasn't to my wife.


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I let mine take any legal deer they wanted that fit the particular ranch management plan. They starting going with me at 3 years old and both took their first deer at age 12. Oldest was a doe and younger took a 9 pt


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For most kids, that four pointer is just as rewarding as a ten pointer. My kids aren't old enough, but I have no intention of letting them shoot the best deer I can find. I will let them take the first good deer that walks out and they can become "trophy" hunters after they go through the other stages of a hunter. Key is to have fun and do what they want. Can't wait!!!


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Not anymore. When he was younger yes, but the rules are now, whoever spots the buck first gets dibs. This keeps him on his toes and interested.


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my boys are only three years old, so they aren't ready. I take my wife hunting though, when its her turn to hunt....she's in the shooting chair come what may. and likewise when I'm in the shooting chair.

that's how my dad did it with my brother and myself. our first deer were does. but by our second or third season...he still sat with us a while, but when it was our turn to hunt we did the shooting....buck/doe/big small. and the reverse when it was his turn. until we eventually started sitting on our own.


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Originally Posted By: doogie
When I'm with my kids (ages 7 and 10) I give them priority in shooting "good" deer (bucks)

I have many friends who shoot the bucks themselves and only let their kids shoot doe or spikes.

Am I the only one who lets the kids shoot something first?
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I should clarify my 7 year old has not shot a deer yet, but when she is willing and ready I well let her. My 10 year old took her first deer this year, a nice little 8 pointer.


How can you say you give them priority to shoot the good deer when one hasnt shot a deer and the other shot a small 8pt? If you had of stated they had both taken 150" deer and you had only taken spikes, thats one thing but how do you know how you will react when a truly massive deer appears IF IT HASNT HAPPENED? I taught my boys conservation first. They are now 13 and 15 and they will not shoot a deer that isnt mature. Age is how a trophy is judged in our house as much as size.

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What does mature have to do with conservation?


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I'd be interested in knowing how many 'kid-first' people here let their 16 yr-old drive a nicer car/truck than they do.


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If your worried that your child might get a bigger deer than you, you are not much of a dad in my opinion. Let thim get the biggest thing that they can and enjoy the memories for a lifetime.


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Originally Posted By: doogie
When I'm with my kids (ages 7 and 10) I give them priority in shooting "good" deer (bucks)

I have many friends who shoot the bucks themselves and only let their kids shoot doe or spikes.

Am I the only one who lets the kids shoot something first?


You're not alone. I do my best to get my kids a deer before I start shooting. If I'm hunting by myself and a big boy walks out he's getting shot though. Everything else gets a pass until the kids get theirs. I just hunted alone through the Thanksgiving break, saw only does & culls. My kids were texting me telling me to shoot a cull, I said nope I'm saving for you. I make my kids work during the year to earn what they shoot, so it's important to me for them to get their's first but that's just me. If they are hunting and see a biggun' yes they can also shoot it.

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Originally Posted By: redchevy
What does mature have to do with conservation?


Perhaps "proper management" would have been a better term.

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Originally Posted By: QuitShootinYoungBucks
I'd be interested in knowing how many 'kid-first' people here let their 16 yr-old drive a nicer car/truck than they do.


My 16 yr old is dang sure driving a nicer truck than I did in high school. I had the ugliest rusted up smashed up truck in school, frame bent in the middle, leaked water everywhere & smoked worse than the mosquito man. Smashed door glass, busted windshield, leaked oil everywhere and was a roach incubator. I could never get a date. Now, back to deer. up

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I'd be interested in knowing how many 'kid-first' people here let their 16 yr-old drive a nicer car/truck than they do.


My 16 yr old is dang sure driving a nicer truck than I did in high school. I had the ugliest rusted up smashed up truck in school, frame bent in the middle, leaked water everywhere & smoked worse than the mosquito man. Smashed door glass, busted windshield, leaked oil everywhere and was a roach incubator. I could never get a date. Now, back to deer. up


The question was:
Does he drive a nicer pickup than you do NOW? If so, you have done him a grwat disservice in my opinion. Kids need to earn what they get in every aspect of life. My kids build fence and buck hay to "earn" their hunting privileges. Too many people now consider "privileges" to be "rights".

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Because of the way our lease is set up, I'm the lease member and my son (and wife too)hunt as guests. But, because of proximity to the lease my son and wife actually do more work filling feeders and setting blinds, etc then some of the other lease members. So we rotate each year on who is gunning for the trophy buck, who gets the management buck and who is on doe patrol. This has worked well for my son because I've used it as an opportunity to teach him about the work that goes into it all and he knows he'll get a chance on some deer every year and a good buck every few. It has also given him an opportunity to learn more about judging deer and how to become a more skilled hunter as he works on does and management bucks. He knows it isn't always about the biggest buck (but sometimes it is!) and it is mostly about fun and spending time outdoors.

ETA - Grades also figure into the mix. bad grades = no hunting. Straight A's maybe I'll let him shot the better buck or take him offshore fishing.

He won't drive a better truck then me. He'll get the hand-me-down Nissan with over 200k on it. Why? because he earned the privilege of driving that truck by helping me put new head gaskets on it.

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I'd be interested in knowing how many 'kid-first' people here let their 16 yr-old drive a nicer car/truck than they do.


My 16 yr old is dang sure driving a nicer truck than I did in high school. I had the ugliest rusted up smashed up truck in school, frame bent in the middle, leaked water everywhere & smoked worse than the mosquito man. Smashed door glass, busted windshield, leaked oil everywhere and was a roach incubator. I could never get a date. Now, back to deer. up


The question was:
Does he drive a nicer pickup than you do NOW? If so, you have done him a grwat disservice in my opinion. Kids need to earn what they get in every aspect of life. My kids build fence and buck hay to "earn" their hunting privileges. Too many people now consider "privileges" to be "rights".


Apparently I got the question wrong, but no he is not driving a nicer truck than I do NOW. He knows nothing is just handed to him he has to earn it.

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[quote=QuitShootinYoungBucks]I'd be interested in knowing how many 'kid-first' people here let their 16 yr-old drive a nicer car/truck than they do.


My 16 yr old is dang sure driving a nicer truck than I did in high school. I had the ugliest rusted up smashed up truck in school, frame bent in the middle, leaked water everywhere & smoked worse than the mosquito man. Smashed door glass, busted windshield, leaked oil everywhere and was a roach incubator. I could never get a date. Now, back to deer. up


The question was:
Does he drive a nicer pickup than you do NOW? If so, you have done him a grwat disservice in my opinion. Kids need to earn what they get in every aspect of life. My kids build fence and buck hay to "earn" their hunting privileges. Too many people now consider "privileges" to be "rights".


Apparently I got the question wrong, but no he is not driving a nicer truck than I do NOW. He knows nothing is just handed to him he has to earn it. [/quote

Teaching life lessons.......THATS a good dad!

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I think saying kids is a broad term, there is a difference in an 8 yo sitting with dad vs. a 16yo sitting alone. An 8 yo sitting with dad, and a trophy shows up bigger than dad has ever killed, dad shoots. Not being a bad dad IMO just right of passage.


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Lots of people have different definitions of "good" deer. Both mine have killed doe and bucks, but you can bet if a 160 walks out its mine, no questions asked. No 10 yr old I know needs a 160. Good looking 130 we might draw straws or something. I'm not going to break my back or the bank trying to get them true Huge bucks. Kids don't care if its a fork horn or a monster I don't think. If that makes me a bad dad I'm fine with it.

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my boys are only three years old, so they aren't ready. I take my wife hunting though, when its her turn to hunt....she's in the shooting chair come what may. and likewise when I'm in the shooting chair.

that's how my dad did it with my brother and myself. our first deer were does. but by our second or third season...he still sat with us a while, but when it was our turn to hunt we did the shooting....buck/doe/big small. and the reverse when it was his turn. until we eventually started sitting on our own.


That's how I've done it with my two kids for the past 3 years. On our lease, we get to shoot one "trophy" buck each year. Each time we go out, only one of them is in the shooting chair and they rotate each time whether we see any deer or not. The only difference is that we rotate who gets to shoot the "trophy" each year. My son happened to be in the chair when a buck came out two years ago. So he got his first "trophy" buck. Last year it was his sisters turn and she got her first "trophy" buck. This year, it's my sons turn again. If a trophy walks out and his sister is in the shooting chair, she knows it's his turn and will pass the rifle. When it's her turn, he'll do the same. As for me, I rarely hunt without the kids and if I am hunting without them, I only shoot does.


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I intend for my children to know I love them for far more reasons than what deer I let them shoot.


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If your worried that your child might get a bigger deer than you, you are not much of a dad in my opinion. Let thim get the biggest thing that they can and enjoy the memories for a lifetime.


For me, it has nothing to do with them shooting a bigger deer than I have. It has to do with earning it and that buck actually meaning something to them. I teach my kids that they have to work for what the get and walking out on day one and shooting a monster buck didn't teach them much IMO. Shooting does, spikes, culls and nice 8's are just as important and in some cases, just as much of a trophy. I have seen kids shoot dang nice deer and could care less about going back out in the woods. Seen some shoot a dang nice buck and can't wait to get back in the woods. I have seen more young kids shoot a smaller caliber animal and dance all the way down the road to get their deer.

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I'd be interested in knowing how many 'kid-first' people here let their 16 yr-old drive a nicer car/truck than they do.


Mine will be able to drive a nicer truck than me...if they can afford it.


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Originally Posted By: redchevy
I intend for my children to know I love them for far more reasons than what deer I let them shoot.

Very well put, thank you! up


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I intend for my children to know I love them for far more reasons than what deer I let them shoot.


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Originally Posted By: Fire1
Because of the way our lease is set up, I'm the lease member and my son (and wife too)hunt as guests. But, because of proximity to the lease my son and wife actually do more work filling feeders and setting blinds, etc then some of the other lease members. So we rotate each year on who is gunning for the trophy buck, who gets the management buck and who is on doe patrol. This has worked well for my son because I've used it as an opportunity to teach him about the work that goes into it all and he knows he'll get a chance on some deer every year and a good buck every few. It has also given him an opportunity to learn more about judging deer and how to become a more skilled hunter as he works on does and management bucks. He knows it isn't always about the biggest buck (but sometimes it is!) and it is mostly about fun and spending time outdoors.

ETA - Grades also figure into the mix. bad grades = no hunting. Straight A's maybe I'll let him shot the better buck or take him offshore fishing.

He won't drive a better truck then me. He'll get the hand-me-down Nissan with over 200k on it. Why? because he earned the privilege of driving that truck by helping me put new head gaskets on it.
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Much the same for me when I was a kid. I helped tie in stays on the fence, drive the tractor and disc/planter for our small oat field, and hunted for two years with my dad while he was the gunner before I was turned loose to shoot my own. Back then we didn't have many deer so we just kind of picked which stands to hunt, and whatever showed up was fair game to the hunter that was at that stand. First year on my own (1980) I shot two does, one on opening day and one in late December. Next year I got a buck, nearly as good as the one my dad had taken in the past, but I hunted all the way to December 26 before ever firing a shot that year. I don't think I've ever been skunked for a whole season but I've come close. In those days you would sometimes sit 3-4-5 hunts before you even saw a deer. One year my dad hunted a lot and shot three deer (a doe and two spikes); those were the only deer he saw the whole year.


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