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#5440046 - 11/24/14 07:21 AM Bailing native grasses?
catslayer Offline
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Registered: 12/11/12
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Loc: Straight out of Johnson County
Ok, so we have done a LOT of work on brush clearing and range management of our place near Evant. It was overgrazed and the drought really messed up our range condition... But after 2 years of no cows and lots and lots of cedar removal we have the most consitatly healthy range of any place I've ever seen... Tons of native bunchgrasses, it looks like a see of grass 3 foot tall waving when the wind blows...

Any way, the point... We like not having somebody grass leasing it, and we don't want to shell out for cattle... So, here is my question. Does anybody know of or have heard of people bailing native grasses for sale?

It would really help with the sneaky little cedars that pop up to have is mowed and bailed once or twice a year and we have enough good FLAT pasture that would be pretty easy to run machines over. We would just like to do a one cutting a year, maybe two... but is there a market?
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#5440052 - 11/24/14 07:27 AM Re: Bailing native grasses? [Re: catslayer]
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Registered: 11/19/08
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Loc: Kingwood
Not much different from folks baling the road ditch. People with no hay in less than stellar grazing areas might buy it bc it beats nothing.

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#5440057 - 11/24/14 07:29 AM Re: Bailing native grasses? [Re: catslayer]
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Registered: 04/19/07
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Loc: Metroplex
Yes, you can bail native. Value will depend on what kind of native. I use to bail a bunch on my old ranch in Oklahoma.

You need to bail it anyway, so you get a decent stand of forbes

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#5440082 - 11/24/14 07:37 AM Re: Bailing native grasses? [Re: BOBO the Clown]
catslayer Offline
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Originally Posted By: BOBO the Clown
Yes, you can bail native. Value will depend on what kind of native. I use to bail a bunch on my old ranch in Oklahoma.

You need to bail it anyway, so you get a decent stand of forbes


my thoughts exactly... its gona way out compete everything... when did yall cut it typically? Its several different natives. I'm not very good at grass I.D. but I see little blue, indian grass, some side oats...

how did you advertise?
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#5440107 - 11/24/14 07:55 AM Re: Bailing native grasses? [Re: catslayer]
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It can bring substantial value depending on the species.
Contact Native American Seed in Junction.

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#5440161 - 11/24/14 08:24 AM Re: Bailing native grasses? [Re: catslayer]
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decoy

Registered: 04/19/07
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Loc: Metroplex
Originally Posted By: catslayer
Originally Posted By: BOBO the Clown
Yes, you can bail native. Value will depend on what kind of native. I use to bail a bunch on my old ranch in Oklahoma.

You need to bail it anyway, so you get a decent stand of forbes


my thoughts exactly... its gona way out compete everything... when did yall cut it typically? Its several different natives. I'm not very good at grass I.D. but I see little blue, indian grass, some side oats...

how did you advertise?


I don't I do it on the halves with a custom baler, so he takes care of it. Mine was all little and big bluesteam so usually later in the year after it is done growing. Cut it to early you can kill it.

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#5440181 - 11/24/14 08:33 AM Re: Bailing native grasses? [Re: catslayer]
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How rough is it? How clean is the pasture for stumps and rocks? Most people are baling King Ranch Bluestem for hay down south nowdays. With the drought having all but wiped out most coastal hay pastures and KR has taken over it is all they have. Most are feeding protein tubs using this hay for filler. Hay value down here is dependent on demand.
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#5440196 - 11/24/14 08:35 AM Re: Bailing native grasses? [Re: BOBO the Clown]
catslayer Offline
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K, well i'll poke around a little and see what I can find. May just have to call somebody who is bailing hay. If anybody knows someone in the Coryell county area that would be interested in this pm me...

the ranch is 550 acres with probably 250+ in THICK native grasses that we are interested in bailing.
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#5440257 - 11/24/14 09:02 AM Re: Bailing native grasses? [Re: catslayer]
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Registered: 10/19/12
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Should have at least shredded my deer field in October. Have to pick shots carefully now since the grass is so tall.

If you're worried about little cedars, I think there will soon be plenty of, as my neighbor says, "exchange students" that will walk and chop with a machete for un poco dinero. Practice your Spanish. bolt
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#5440312 - 11/24/14 09:27 AM Re: Bailing native grasses? [Re: Creekrunner]
catslayer Offline
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Originally Posted By: Creekrunner
Should have at least shredded my deer field in October. Have to pick shots carefully now since the grass is so tall.

If you're worried about little cedars, I think there will soon be plenty of, as my neighbor says, "exchange students" that will walk and chop with a machete for un poco dinero. Practice your Spanish. bolt


we are basically past the clearing point lol, we are just trying to keep them clean and if we can make a little money with keeping it clean its mo'betta.

Yes right now tracking is a SOB when you hit one, blood gets wiped off on the grass as tiny little dots and makes it much harder...
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#5440771 - 11/24/14 01:26 PM Re: Bailing native grasses? [Re: catslayer]
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Registered: 11/11/10
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You can do a search for NPAT, Native Prairie Association of Texas and glean info as well as perhaps some contact. Some are in business to bale or collect seed for sale etc. If you have a local biologist or Natural Resource office could be helpful. If you can, the easy way is controlled burning the area, don't have to do it all at one time but you do need a plan etc.
Native grasses are sought out and being planted through their native ranges, the big four or Indian grass, Big and Little bluestem, Eastern Gamma, side oats and switch grass or no slouches either.
You need to set the cutter to leave at least 4 to 6 in. stubble, this is where the plant keeps its food source for regrowth, if you cut or grazed it to ground level can kill it out. Expensive to re establish. You have a good situation just manage it correctly. I view the prairie grass ecosystem as a forest unto it's self, wildlife really utilize it. . Good luck

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#5446222 - 11/27/14 03:13 PM Re: Bailing native grasses? [Re: catslayer]
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Forgot to add, deer love to bed in tall grass. So, it is worth leaving some as sanctuary areas to help hold deer on your land.

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#5446295 - 11/27/14 04:11 PM Re: Bailing native grasses? [Re: catslayer]
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Why not just do a controlled burn on it? The right time of year to do it is coming soon. You will get more put back into the soil and the fresh growth will be great for the deer in the spring.
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#5449017 - 11/29/14 08:01 PM Re: Bailing native grasses? [Re: catslayer]
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Curtis is spot on on this burn it if you can Try and leave some as cover.

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#5449339 - 11/30/14 06:56 AM Re: Bailing native grasses? [Re: catslayer]
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Try to find somebody that will bail it on the halves. You can always sell your half of the hay for more range improvements
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