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#5436493 - 11/21/14 11:08 PM Ammo dilemma
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Okay, so right before opening day I damaged my factory MOD choke and bought a Kick's High Flyer MOD to try and replace it. I also am conducting an experiment this year only using 3 1/2" shells to determine if they will add any benefit over other shells. Well, the first box I tried was Federal Ultra Shok 1 1/2oz #4's at 1500fps. Dismal results while hunting. Couldn't seem to hammer the birds that were 40yds and in. I dropped a couple, but missed twice as many that I KNOW I should have had. I moved over to Federal Speed Shok 1 3/8oz #2's at 1550fps, and it was even worse. I went to Academy for one more try at the big shells and got some Winchester Supreme Drylock 3 1/2" 1 9/16oz #3's at 1300fps (way slower) and killed a few with it, but still wasn't like normal. So that got me thinking, and since I haven't gotten to the range to pattern, I grabbed my teal loads which are Winchester Supreme Drylock 2 3/4" #4's at 1300fps and headed out for an evening hunt... well to make a long story short- three hunts with those little shells so far and I've stoned every duck I've pointed my gun at including two canvasbacks and a few mallards. Stone dead. Today I popped a Gadwall that flared off of us and I swear it was 40-45yds when I pulled the trigger. Boom! Dead as a door nail. I'm seriously thinking that Kick's choke and my Maxus barrel like the light loads going relatively slow... What would y'all do?
What should I do?
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#5436544 - 11/22/14 12:05 AM Re: Ammo dilemma [Re: _Scooter_]
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I'd ditch the 3.5" loads, I don't remember you being that short.
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#5436592 - 11/22/14 03:19 AM Re: Ammo dilemma [Re: _Scooter_]
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No need for 3 1/2'S, they do not give you anymore distance.

More importantly, why are you taking 40-45 yard shots, unless they are on the way out and you are cleaning up that is a shot that is going to cripple more times than kill.

I see people taking these shots all the time on birds they can not finish, if we can not finish them closer than that, we will not take that shot, more times than not it just results in crippled birds all over the lake.

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#5436617 - 11/22/14 05:45 AM Re: Ammo dilemma [Re: _Scooter_]
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I shot 2 3/4 inch shells for the past 3 years, they kill birds just fine. No need for 3 1/2'S unless you're shooting geese

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#5436626 - 11/22/14 05:59 AM Re: Ammo dilemma [Re: _Scooter_]
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You should stop over thinking this.

You've found a shell combo that works. When you can no longer find that shell, go buy a few different boxes of shells to pattern.
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#5436627 - 11/22/14 06:01 AM Re: Ammo dilemma [Re: _Scooter_]
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My favorite is 3" #4. I'd shoot #5 or 6 before going to #2. Nothing wrong with 2 3/4 either. Never shot and will never shoot 3.5's. Way too expensive, don't have a gun that shoots them, and haven't seen even a slight benefit from them when friends of mine shoot them.

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#5436649 - 11/22/14 06:37 AM Re: Ammo dilemma [Re: 8pointdrop]
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Originally Posted By: 8pointdrop
My favorite is 3" #4. I'd shoot #5 or 6 before going to #2. Nothing wrong with 2 3/4 either. Never shot and will never shoot 3.5's. Way too expensive, don't have a gun that shoots them, and haven't seen even a slight benefit from them when friends of mine shoot them.


For ducks and the occasional goose, i agree a 3 inch #4 pellet is as good as it gets. Plenty of punch and witha good choke, excellent patterns.
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#5436651 - 11/22/14 06:41 AM Re: Ammo dilemma [Re: Erichugh22]
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Originally Posted By: Erichugh22
I shot 2 3/4 inch shells for the past 3 years, they kill birds just fine. No need for 3 1/2'S unless you're shooting geese


I too bought a case of 2 3\4 shells. Much cheaper and they perform very well.
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#5436659 - 11/22/14 06:50 AM Re: Ammo dilemma [Re: _Scooter_]
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What is shocking to me is near half the commenters don't p a ttern their shotguns. I don't understand not doing it. I lump that thinking into this example. My truck might sputter and puke its way over a 100 mile trip. Well by God it did the job and I finished the 100 mile trip. Though it did the job it could have been tuned up and performed much better over the course of the trip. My question is why would you not want to spend some time shooting your shotgun. At worst case scenario you were blasting some rounds off.

I don't know everything about shotgunning. I have been shooting a long long time before I patterned a weapon. I learned a whole bunch when i started patterning my weapons. I now would never take a weapon to the field without fine tuning it on paper.
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#5436686 - 11/22/14 07:10 AM Re: Ammo dilemma [Re: wal1809]
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Originally Posted By: wal1809
What is shocking to me is near half the commenters don't p a ttern their shotguns. I don't understand not doing it. I lump that thinking into this example. My truck might sputter and puke its way over a 100 mile trip. Well by God it did the job and I finished the 100 mile trip. Though it did the job it could have been tuned up and performed much better over the course of the trip. My question is why would you not want to spend some time shooting your shotgun. At worst case scenario you were blasting some rounds off.

I don't know everything about shotgunning. I have been shooting a long long time before I patterned a weapon. I learned a whole bunch when i started patterning my weapons. I now would never take a weapon to the field without fine tuning it on paper.


I was a mechanic for years and I'm still basically a glorified mechanic, so you can bet my truck ain't sputtering without something getting taken apart and fixed/replaced. I don't pattern my gun.

I really don't understand what y'all do when saying you fine tuning a shotgun on a piece of paper. Do y'all have several different chokes and shell combination you can change? That's why patterning is worthless to me. I'm not buying several different chokes and shells. I shoot regular modified that comes in the gun and whatever cheap shells Wal-Mart has. Kill loads of duck and sandhill, no geese yet but if one wants to try flying past that modified and cheap #4's he's more than welcome to try.

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#5436687 - 11/22/14 07:11 AM Re: Ammo dilemma [Re: mohunter]
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Originally Posted By: mohunter
No need for 3 1/2'S, they do not give you anymore distance.

More importantly, why are you taking 40-45 yard shots, unless they are on the way out and you are cleaning up that is a shot that is going to cripple more times than kill.

I see people taking these shots all the time on birds they can not finish, if we can not finish them closer than that, we will not take that shot, more times than not it just results in crippled birds all over the lake.


I agree with you brother. Most folks shouldn't be attempting those. I had a very confident feeling that I'd drop that bird and I did just that.
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#5436694 - 11/22/14 07:19 AM Re: Ammo dilemma [Re: wal1809]
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Originally Posted By: wal1809
What is shocking to me is near half the commenters don't p a ttern their shotguns. I don't understand not doing it. I lump that thinking into this example. My truck might sputter and puke its way over a 100 mile trip. Well by God it did the job and I finished the 100 mile trip. Though it did the job it could have been tuned up and performed much better over the course of the trip. My question is why would you not want to spend some time shooting your shotgun. At worst case scenario you were blasting some rounds off.

I don't know everything about shotgunning. I have been shooting a long long time before I patterned a weapon. I learned a whole bunch when i started patterning my weapons. I now would never take a weapon to the field without fine tuning it on paper.


I know WAL. I don't have access to a place to go and pattern it for free- and paying $15 for an hour at the range doesn't appeal to me. I'll get to it eventually- probably during the split.
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#5436698 - 11/22/14 07:20 AM Re: Ammo dilemma [Re: wal1809]
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Originally Posted By: wal1809
Originally Posted By: Erichugh22
I shot 2 3/4 inch shells for the past 3 years, they kill birds just fine. No need for 3 1/2'S unless you're shooting geese


I too bought a case of 2 3\4 shells. Much cheaper and they perform very well.


I might be coming over to the dark side...
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#5436699 - 11/22/14 07:21 AM Re: Ammo dilemma [Re: Dave Speer]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Speer
I'd ditch the 3.5" loads, I don't remember you being that short.


I just wanted to prove it...
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#5436701 - 11/22/14 07:22 AM Re: Ammo dilemma [Re: _Scooter_]
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2 3/4 nr 4 kent is perfect for decoying birds within 30 yards with IC choke.
For higher birds, or windy days I use 3 inch bismuth nr 4 or heavy metals nr 3 in a patternmaster long range (not the extra long range) choke.

I avoid 3 1/2 except for snows and cranes

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