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#5433906 - 11/20/14 03:31 PM End of the Sig Brace?
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The ATF has stated that shouldering the Sig Brace on a shotgun classifies it as a short barrel shotgun. Does that mean they will make the same decision about the Sig Brace on the AR pistol?
http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/end-sig-brace/
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#5433980 - 11/20/14 04:02 PM Re: End of the Sig Brace? [Re: Toxarch]
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There is no such thing as a smooth bore 12ga pistol. A stockless shotgun is still a shotgun. A stockless rifle is a pistol. The guy who submitted that to the ATF is an idiot.

Use of a product is immaterial to the ATF classification for pistol vs rifle, only design.

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#5434047 - 11/20/14 04:43 PM Re: End of the Sig Brace? [Re: Toxarch]
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So the guy submitted a sub 18" shotgun with a Sig brace and expected for it to be approved?!?! hammer
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#5434074 - 11/20/14 04:55 PM Re: End of the Sig Brace? [Re: Toxarch]
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Aww geez...
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#5434239 - 11/20/14 06:38 PM Re: End of the Sig Brace? [Re: TexFlip]
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Originally Posted By: TexFlip
So the guy submitted a sub 18" shotgun with a Sig brace and expected for it to be approved?!?! hammer

It was approved. You just can't shoulder it.
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#5434280 - 11/20/14 06:58 PM Re: End of the Sig Brace? [Re: Toxarch]
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I wish there was a picture. They must have taken a Sig Brace and permanently attached it to a sub 18" shotgun making it over 26". You can do a 14" shotgun with a birdhead grip without going NFA. It's one of those weird loopholes.
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#5434621 - 11/20/14 10:05 PM Re: End of the Sig Brace? [Re: TexFlip]
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Originally Posted By: TexFlip
I wish there was a picture. ......... You can do a 14" shotgun with a birdhead grip without going NFA. It's one of those weird loopholes.


Can you show me that one ?
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#5434887 - 11/21/14 07:36 AM Re: End of the Sig Brace? [Re: Toxarch]
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The firearm in question was an AOW; adding the brace to an AOW would change the classification to a SBS. Though they are both NFA you can't add a stock to an AOW

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#5434896 - 11/21/14 07:40 AM Re: End of the Sig Brace? [Re: TexFlip]
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Originally Posted By: TexFlip
I wish there was a picture. They must have taken a Sig Brace and permanently attached it to a sub 18" shotgun making it over 26". You can do a 14" shotgun with a birdhead grip without going NFA. It's one of those weird loopholes.


The ATF ruled that since it's over 26" it is not an AOW; and since it's not fired from the shoulder it is not a shotgun. The ruled that it is a 'firearm' only and legal. What people fail to realize that individual states have laws with verbiage the mimic the NFA verbiage and it could still be illegal in most states. Is saving a $200 stamp worth it to cut off 4" of barrel and risking a court case to prove it's legal in your state?

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#5434975 - 11/21/14 08:19 AM Re: End of the Sig Brace? [Re: sig226fan (Rguns.com)]
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Originally Posted By: sig226fan (Rguns.com)
Originally Posted By: TexFlip
I wish there was a picture. ......... You can do a 14" shotgun with a birdhead grip without going NFA. It's one of those weird loopholes.


Can you show me that one ?

http://shockwavetechnologies.com/site/?page_id=88
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