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#5432473 - 11/19/14 09:40 PM 300WSM vs 270WSM
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As many of you are already aware from one of my other threads, I have a 300WSM that I'm going to get rebarreled soon. I wanted to start a new thread with a more focused topic. I know this has probably been debated a ton already and if there's a good thread here in the archives that answers my questions, please point me to it.

I only have 2 rifles right now that are "all weather" including the Win M70 300WSM that I'm going to get rebarreled and turned into a custom rifle. The other all weather is a Hill Country Rifles .270 Win that I can use when hunting without my wife, but when she's with me, that's her backpacking rifle. I've done a lot of research on ballistics, bullets, brass and factory load availability, etc., and I'm very torn on what to do. Though I don't intend on this being my last custom gun I ever get done, if it ends up being that way, I want it to be able to handle any North American game up to Brown Bear/Grizzley. I will get at least a .338 if I get the chance to hunt big bear. I know that either of these cartriges will handle all those animals with the right bullet selection. I'm hoping to hear from a lot of you that have had experience with these two cartriges and I want to hear all the pros and cons you guys can come up with. I do reload though I'm still very much a rookie in that aspect. Thanks in advance for your opinions.

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#5432478 - 11/19/14 09:41 PM Re: 300WSM vs 270WSM [Re: ltsheets]
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#5432573 - 11/19/14 10:39 PM Re: 300WSM vs 270WSM [Re: ltsheets]
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Big difference in size I'm told 'tween Kodiak or Coastal grizz and Inland critters....easier access to the primary food source for weeks/months longer for the Coastal bears. Talk to Dawaba for the straight skinny on this.

When I was doing my SAKO thing years ago, I sold a limited run of 375H&H 20" carbines in Mickey stocks of ummm mebbe couple 2-3+ dozen guns to the Alaska Fishing Guides Assc in a really short light configuration, with Williams iron sights.

My sample weighed about 7lbs and a scootch without a scope and was not bad to shoot at all....except when seated at a bench...and is the only gun that ever unseated me and laid me out flat on my back on the sidewalk. Only thing hurt was my pride.

Off hand it was sweet and accurate in 300gr'ers, shooting back of my hand sized groups at 100 yards. It was designed to ride on a sling over your shooting shoulder upside down, and the butt was no higher than your shoulder so's you could cast a fly rod without fighting the gun's butt on the back cast. Stoeger refused to let me buy the sample gun, as the stock was a McMillan prototype and they wanted it back. Oh well

If you are going to hunt Coastal bears @ 40-60% larger, I'd be looking at a 400 caliber something for a Stopper...but then I never could or would plan on running fast either.

The National Gun of Alaska seems to be a 338WMg, but have never been there and that may be just some folks foolin with a Flat Lander from Texas too.
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#5432595 - 11/19/14 10:57 PM Re: 300WSM vs 270WSM [Re: ltsheets]
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I mispoke. I will go 338 or larger for big bears if I ever hunt them. Consider this rifle for Elk and smaller.

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#5432731 - 11/20/14 06:06 AM Re: 300WSM vs 270WSM [Re: ltsheets]
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If you do ever decide to build a rifle for Alaska, it would be hard to improve on the basic .338WM. Premium bullets of 250 grs are about ideal for the big bears, and you can choose 200-210 gr bullets for everything else. As important as caliber, consider the weather issues you may encounter in our 49th state:

As much as my heart is warmed by Turkish walnut and faultless blueing, Alaska fairly begs for synthetic stocks and stainless metal (or Cerakote). Also, too many hunters choose scopes that are too powerful. For Alaska, where you will often find yourself sorting out angry animals in the spruce and alders, you want a scope that has the smallest low-power you can get....1.5-2.5 being close to ideal. High end power is much less important....6, up to 9, tops. A reliably-weatherproof scope of 1.5x6 or 2.5x8 seems about right to me after 14 trips and 5 bears in Alaska.

Edit to add: IMO, an outfit for Alaska should also have Weaver-style rings and bases. With a coin, the hunter can quickly employ irons should the need arise. I also think that an extra scope, pre-sighted at home, might be handy should your primary scope get damaged or ship water; Weaver rings and bases make this exchange simple and reliable.


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#5432792 - 11/20/14 07:07 AM Re: 300WSM vs 270WSM [Re: ltsheets]
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7wsm or saum would be my choice.
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#5432807 - 11/20/14 07:18 AM Re: 300WSM vs 270WSM [Re: ltsheets]
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Guys, I just don't understand all this .338 and .400 claiber stuff....with the right bullet placement a .223 would be a great caliber! I mean there's no recoil and it's a lot easier to place the bullet right where you want it so I vote for an AR in .223!

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#5432809 - 11/20/14 07:21 AM Re: 300WSM vs 270WSM [Re: dee]
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If you're like most of us "elk and smaller" means 90% deer.

I'd go with the 270WSM. Better match for Bambi and, with the right bullet, perfectly adequate for the occasional elk.

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#5432819 - 11/20/14 07:24 AM Re: 300WSM vs 270WSM [Re: Deerhunter61]
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Originally Posted By: Deerhunter61
Guys, I just don't understand all this .338 and .400 claiber stuff....with the right bullet placement a .223 would be a great caliber! I mean there's no recoil and it's a lot easier to place the bullet right where you want it so I vote for an AR in .223!


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#5432848 - 11/20/14 07:41 AM Re: 300WSM vs 270WSM [Re: ltsheets]
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Registered: 10/15/14
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375 load down or up. I have taken game the size of Cape Buffalo, and Eland with the 375. It will wack a bear with authority, yet reach out and hit an elk at 300 yards. It is easy to shoot, and has a wide range of bullets. I have a 375 WBY (375 HH imp) 375 RUM, but the HH works great. Not much you can't do with the 300 and the 375. With the 270 you just limit your bullet selection. 300 you have from 110-200 grain then your 375 picks up from 235-350 grains...from coyote to Cape Buffalo!

A 375 Cape buffalo:



A 375 RUM Livingston eland:



Just my two cents



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#5432863 - 11/20/14 07:54 AM Re: 300WSM vs 270WSM [Re: ltsheets]
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your post ".270wsm vrs .300wsm" is almost comparing apples to oranges. take out the wsm equation and look at it that way. if I had to choose between the two. .300 winmag, (forget the wsm) If I really had plans for Alaskan bear nothing less that .338 winmag


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#5432881 - 11/20/14 08:03 AM Re: 300WSM vs 270WSM [Re: ltsheets]
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If I were to build a custom, it wouldn't be based on a WSM case. I like to shoot the heavy bullets for higher BC bullets and heavier projectiles for penetration. If the rifle is a short action, you can not fit the heavy, high BC bullets in the magazine, so you will need a long action. If I'm building it on a long action, I'm going 300 WM, no doubt.
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#5432928 - 11/20/14 08:22 AM Re: 300WSM vs 270WSM [Re: ChadTRG42]
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Registered: 10/15/14
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Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
If I were to build a custom, it wouldn't be based on a WSM case. I like to shoot the heavy bullets for higher BC bullets and heavier projectiles for penetration. If the rifle is a short action, you can not fit the heavy, high BC bullets in the magazine, so you will need a long action. If I'm building it on a long action, I'm going 300 WM, no doubt.


If you are building a long action, why not go 300 WBY or 300 Ultra...I agree why limit to a WSM case. I have a custom 300WSM and like it but like my 300 WBY accumark too...

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#5432939 - 11/20/14 08:27 AM Re: 300WSM vs 270WSM [Re: Deerhunter61]
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Originally Posted By: Deerhunter61
Guys, I just don't understand all this .338 and .400 claiber stuff....with the right bullet placement a .223 would be a great caliber! I mean there's no recoil and it's a lot easier to place the bullet right where you want it so I vote for an AR in .223!


LMAO !!!!!

I say its hard to beat anything in 30 cal mag, though if I were hunting brownies, I would want my 375 H&H or 416 Rem Mag. I shoot both well and they both have enough thump to give me a chance at making it through the encounter in one piece. An angry wounded bear is not something to be taken lightly, they are tenacious.


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#5432942 - 11/20/14 08:28 AM Re: 300WSM vs 270WSM [Re: ltsheets]
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I think he is saying he is keeping the .270 win and he will get another rifle for the big bears.

So he is just asking about the other two calibers for everything else. I would go .300 WSM. It's not as hard as people are making it-either will work for your purposes. Just depends on whether having a little lighter rifle with a little less recoil is more important than having a bigger cartridge with a little more power.

There is going to be a lot of "pet cartridge" and minutia talk mostly applicable to extreme long range shooting that will stray from your question.

It's your personal decision. The things that matter to you may not matter to others and vice versa.

I have mountain rifles in both calibers: a .270 WSM Nosler Custom 48 and a .300 WSM Sako Finnlight. I will take the former when after medium sized non-dangerous game like sheep and deer only and the latter if I am after elk, moose, interior grizzly.

If I ever go after coastal brownies I will take my .338 WM or larger.


Edited by Nogalus Prairie (11/20/14 08:38 AM)
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