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#5429358 - 11/18/14 02:40 PM Are pet owners our next generation of anti-hunters?
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Had a somewhat heated conversation with a couple of co-workers today about people who view their pets as people and equal to other members of the family. In some cases, such people may even see their pets as their kids. And thankfully, the discussion never turned to animals and hunting.

With so much discussion these days on human rights, is hunting set to become threatened by a growing movement to give animals the same rights as humans? I say this because during today's discussion, I was made to be incorrect in viewing pets and people as being unequal.

I'll say one thing. I left today's discussion thinking that animal rights by pet owners falls into that category of topics, along with religion and politics, that you should avoid with co-workers.
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#5429405 - 11/18/14 02:56 PM Re: Are pet owners our next generation of anti-hunters? [Re: Texas Dan]
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Dan, I think people have thought that about their animals (the companion type like a good dog) as "family", since the stone age? We treat our dogs as a members of the family within reason, that loyalty comes with some responsibility and a cost IMO.

Bigger argument to me, would be people that abuse animals under the guise of ownership. (The ones that drop a dog off on the curb, since they don't "jive" anymore)
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#5429415 - 11/18/14 03:00 PM Re: Are pet owners our next generation of anti-hunters? [Re: Texas Dan]
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I call my boxer Zeus "my son" but that don't keep me from hunting.
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#5429424 - 11/18/14 03:05 PM Re: Are pet owners our next generation of anti-hunters? [Re: Texas Dan]
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My dog "Redbone" is a scrapper when it comes to hunting but at home the kids cover him up at night after his treat of course.
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#5429435 - 11/18/14 03:09 PM Re: Are pet owners our next generation of anti-hunters? [Re: Texas Dan]
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I love my dogs, and yeah, they are family and we even joked about one of them being more person than dog. But at the end of the day they're still dogs.

Oh, and I love to hunt/fish/trap/etc., and I eat meat.
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#5429448 - 11/18/14 03:12 PM Re: Are pet owners our next generation of anti-hunters? [Re: Western]
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Originally Posted By: Western
Dan, I think people have thought that about their animals (the companion type like a good dog) as "family", since the stone age? We treat our dogs as a members of the family within reason, that loyalty comes with some responsibility and a cost IMO.

Bigger argument to me, would be people that abuse animals under the guise of ownership. (The ones that drop a dog off on the curb, since they don't "jive" anymore)


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#5429456 - 11/18/14 03:14 PM Re: Are pet owners our next generation of anti-hunters? [Re: Texas Dan]
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I love my dog ill be sad and probably shed a tear the day she leaves us etc. yet I am a hunter.

I don't believe animals of any kind should be abused but in no way do I feel hunting is abusing them.
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#5429457 - 11/18/14 03:15 PM Re: Are pet owners our next generation of anti-hunters? [Re: Texas Dan]
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My dogs are family and treat them better than I would people because they are innocent.

I don't have a problem with hunting as long as the animals are legal to kill.

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#5429471 - 11/18/14 03:19 PM Re: Are pet owners our next generation of anti-hunters? [Re: Texas Dan]
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I'm afraid my wife falls into the "Pet Owner with a 4 footed child" profile...when I heard her years ago loudly explain to the half grown female French Brit exactly WHO was the Alpha "W"itch in the house...and who wasn't...both of them shot me a dirty look when I burst out laughing.

The now 9 year old pup does have a decent command and comprehension of the English Language that my 2 sons never achieved.... Gotta claim your place in the Pack I guess.
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#5429476 - 11/18/14 03:20 PM Re: Are pet owners our next generation of anti-hunters? [Re: Texas Dan]
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I don't see any correlation to dogs and hunting as negative? confused2 If anything, dogs have been a contributing member to the "tribe" since they where domesticated. Man has used dogs TO hunt and in return, the whole "family" eats. Not to mention, most will protect, or at least warn their "family" of danger, pretty important member of the "family" IMO.

What gets my azz, is a dog can be so loyal, he will suffer abuse with a smile on his face. Some folks just don't need an animal of any kind, just my opinion though, nothing personal directed at anyone.
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#5429491 - 11/18/14 03:26 PM Re: Are pet owners our next generation of anti-hunters? [Re: Texas Dan]
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The biggest threat to hunting, nowadays, is online gaming and social media. Kids just don't spend time outdoors, like they used to. And parents aren't much help, as they're taking on the same habits as their kids. Drive around the Burbs today, and there are few kids playing outside. Half of this are sitting outside, staring at a device.

Regarding pets, I've had pretty close connections to many of my dogs. Heck, I consider a couple of my chickens to be pets (a couple are really smart, and friendly). But that doesn't have anything to do with hunting, in my household. And my chickens love to eat... chicken! LOL

I have noticed some anti-hunting sentiment, being spread in my kids' schools. When my kids bring that stuff up, we talk about things like: deer wasting disease, fertile hogs, etc. Every time my kids have brought that up with their teachers, they're been supportive. Still, seems like a lot of anti outdoors education being taught.


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#5429530 - 11/18/14 03:36 PM Re: Are pet owners our next generation of anti-hunters? [Re: Texas Dan]
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Nothing wrong with folks that never had kids. But you have to watch the ones that never had kids and have dogs.

Helping my son bury his wife's cat a couple of weeks ago, my daughter-in-law (my very liberal daughter-in-law) commented, while holding my granddaughter, that it really puts losing a pet in perspective when you have a child. Thank you God, there might be a little light at the end of that tunnel.

Lots of folks now feel that it's evil to think of man as dominant over any other creature. Of course, the Bible states otherwise. And, our modern society believes that you can't dominate something without abusing it. They watch National Geographic and similar shows in their comfy cities and naturally assume that animals are sentient beings. I love my dogs dearly, but humans are the only sentient beings. Apes, elephants, dolphins, etc. do some amazing things, but their not sentient.

If you want to end the discussion for good, tell your co-workers you're saving up for an elephant hunt, and, if you win the lottery, you might add-on a lion.
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#5429558 - 11/18/14 03:47 PM Re: Are pet owners our next generation of anti-hunters? [Re: Creekrunner]
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Originally Posted By: Creekrunner
Nothing wrong with folks that never had kids. But you have to watch the ones that never had kids and have dogs.

Helping my son bury his wife's cat a couple of weeks ago, my daughter-in-law (my very liberal daughter-in-law) commented, while holding my granddaughter, that it really puts losing a pet in perspective when you have a child. Thank you God, there might be a little light at the end of that tunnel.

Lots of folks now feel that it's evil to think of man as dominant over any other creature. Of course, the Bible states otherwise. And, our modern society believes that you can't dominate something without abusing it. They watch National Geographic and similar shows in their comfy cities and naturally assume that animals are sentient beings. I love my dogs dearly, but humans are the only sentient beings. Apes, elephants, dolphins, etc. do some amazing things, but their not sentient.

If you want to end the discussion for good, tell your co-workers you're saving up for an elephant hunt, and, if you win the lottery, you might add-on a lion.


The general belief, based on the comments so far, is that most of the non-hunting majority continues to draw a clear distinction between pets and game animals.

However, since when has the majority been the driving force in final decisions?
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#5429682 - 11/18/14 04:35 PM Re: Are pet owners our next generation of anti-hunters? [Re: Texas Dan]
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Originally Posted By: Texas Dan
However, since when has the majority been the driving force in final decisions?


Madalyn Murray O'Hair was clearly in the minority. She got rid of prayer in public schools...nationwide.
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#5429954 - 11/18/14 06:28 PM Re: Are pet owners our next generation of anti-hunters? [Re: Texas Dan]
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I love my pets. But they are not the same as my own blood. I will protect them however I can, but my kids and wife come before the pets.
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