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#5426789 - 11/17/14 03:43 PM This "spike" thing still blows me away....
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Registered: 11/18/13
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I'm a Northerner, from Montana; been here for 6 years now. Up North, a spike is a young deer, not a genetic anomaly. It really took me a while to get used to looking at the spikes down here as an actual, mature deer, that just happens to have the genetics that will leave him with two single antlers growing up from his head. It still blows me away...but heck, it's one more deer I can punch on my tag, so I'm all for it! (Now if I can just get used to the special "doe dates" during the season...I'll be set)

That is all; just some random thought I had this afternoon.

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#5426810 - 11/17/14 03:52 PM Re: This "spike" thing still blows me away.... [Re: the444shooter]
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95% of spikes will not be mature deer....5% will be mature with injuries causing spikes. Does generally will be does 100% of the time.

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#5426815 - 11/17/14 03:54 PM Re: This "spike" thing still blows me away.... [Re: the444shooter]
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OP, did you also have young deer that weren't spikes?
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#5426819 - 11/17/14 03:56 PM Re: This "spike" thing still blows me away.... [Re: the444shooter]
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I have only seen 2 spikes over 1.5 yrs old that have been killed out of 100's.
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#5426820 - 11/17/14 03:56 PM Re: This "spike" thing still blows me away.... [Re: the444shooter]
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Spikes a bonus buck in antler restriction counties.
You know, the counties where they want bucks to mature.
stir
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#5426830 - 11/17/14 03:58 PM Re: This "spike" thing still blows me away.... [Re: QuitShootinYoungBucks]
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Originally Posted By: QuitShootinYoungBucks
OP, did you also have young deer that weren't spikes?


Yes, usually they'd branch at the tops...we'd call them "two-points" (even though they'd be a four-point down here)

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#5426833 - 11/17/14 03:59 PM Re: This "spike" thing still blows me away.... [Re: Curly]
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Originally Posted By: Curly
Spikes a bonus buck in antler restriction counties.
You know, the counties where they want bucks to mature.
stir


I see what you're getting at, and had a tough time being convinced that it was ok to shoot spikes if you wanted to "grow" bigger deer.

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#5426835 - 11/17/14 03:59 PM Re: This "spike" thing still blows me away.... [Re: the444shooter]
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#5426836 - 11/17/14 03:59 PM Re: This "spike" thing still blows me away.... [Re: stxranchman]
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Originally Posted By: stxranchman
I have only seen 2 spikes over 1.5 yrs old that have been killed out of 100's.


So then, is it ignorance?

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#5426845 - 11/17/14 04:02 PM Re: This "spike" thing still blows me away.... [Re: the444shooter]
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A spike is about the only deer you can post a photo of on here besides something over 120 and not get criticized for!
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#5426851 - 11/17/14 04:03 PM Re: This "spike" thing still blows me away.... [Re: the444shooter]
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Originally Posted By: the444shooter
Originally Posted By: Curly
Spikes a bonus buck in antler restriction counties.
You know, the counties where they want bucks to mature.
stir


I see what you're getting at, and had a tough time being convinced that it was ok to shoot spikes if you wanted to "grow" bigger deer.

Good point. Down here in South Texas, we don't usually shoot spikes. Or at least I don't.
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#5426864 - 11/17/14 04:05 PM Re: This "spike" thing still blows me away.... [Re: stxranchman]
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Originally Posted By: the444shooter
Originally Posted By: stxranchman
I have only seen 2 spikes over 1.5 yrs old that have been killed out of 100's.


So then, is it ignorance?


Not sure that I would call it ignorance. There is research aplenty that shows that spikes are and will be inferior deer when they get older. Basically, they will never catch up to their peers. When you are on a management plan that calls for extensive culling of the herd, spikes will be taken simply because they are going to be on the lower end of their age class. IMO, most places that take spikes will not see a difference because so many other factors need to be in place before that level of management is going to have an impact.

Ignorance is when alot of people call a spike a 3.5yo. Most are not and never will be.

Originally Posted By: stxranchman
I have only seen 2 spikes over 1.5 yrs old that have been killed out of 100's.


Only 100's...I figured you alone have killed close to 1k grin
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#5426867 - 11/17/14 04:06 PM Re: This "spike" thing still blows me away.... [Re: the444shooter]
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Not sure what your saying? Most people in Texas don't think spikes are "mature" and therefore kill them. However, a lot of people are of the thought that most spikes lack good genetics and want to thin the herd of them. Thats the great debate not maturity.
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#5426877 - 11/17/14 04:08 PM Re: This "spike" thing still blows me away.... [Re: txshntr]
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Loc: MT
Originally Posted By: txshntr
Originally Posted By: the444shooter
Originally Posted By: stxranchman
I have only seen 2 spikes over 1.5 yrs old that have been killed out of 100's.


So then, is it ignorance?


Not sure that I would call it ignorance. There is research aplenty that shows that spikes are and will be inferior deer when they get older. Basically, they will never catch up to their peers. When you are on a management plan that calls for extensive culling of the herd, spikes will be taken simply because they are going to be on the lower end of their age class. IMO, most places that take spikes will not see a difference because so many other factors need to be in place before that level of management is going to have an impact.

Ignorance is when alot of people call a spike a 3.5yo. Most are not and never will be.

Originally Posted By: stxranchman
I have only seen 2 spikes over 1.5 yrs old that have been killed out of 100's.


Only 100's...I figured you alone have killed close to 1k grin


Well, crap--then maybe I'll just leave that portion of my license attached. Thanks for the enlightenment--I knew something didn't smell right.

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#5426880 - 11/17/14 04:09 PM Re: This "spike" thing still blows me away.... [Re: BuckRage]
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Registered: 11/18/13
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Loc: MT
Originally Posted By: BuckRage
Not sure what your saying? Most people in Texas don't think spikes are "mature" and therefore kill them. However, a lot of people are of the thought that most spikes lack good genetics and want to thin the herd of them. Thats the great debate not maturity.


Hmmm...maybe not "most people in Texas," but rather "most people I've hunted with in Texas." That's where I got the idea.

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