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#5426421 - 11/17/14 12:12 PM Mountain lion territory?
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Registered: 01/30/09
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Loc: Dallas, TX
I have a friend with a ranch in Aspermont, he lost 2 300+lb calves in the last 2 weeks to a big cat. I'm thinking maybe more than one cat. He also saw over 10 coyotes this wkend, killing 2. We always new there were big cats in that area and swore on more than one occasion that we heard something at nite outside the tents, now we know for sure. The coyotes are there to clean up the carcass but he now has a true predator problem. Who else has definitive proof of cats and where?
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#5426448 - 11/17/14 01:44 PM Re: Mountain lion territory? [Re: the rattler]
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We have taken one off our place and we have been there as a group for 23 years...for every one you are lucky enough to see they have already seen you..always heard they are ranchy creatures...I'm sure there are guys out there w hounds if you don't mind Dogs all over your place..


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#5426465 - 11/17/14 01:48 PM Re: Mountain lion territory? [Re: the rattler]
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Coleman area, family members have seen them/shot at them... People who live there and know the critters and who I trust what they say.... Unless its about fishing, fishing is a WHOLE NOTHER THING
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#5426512 - 11/17/14 02:07 PM Re: Mountain lion territory? [Re: catslayer]
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#5426584 - 11/17/14 02:32 PM Re: Mountain lion territory? [Re: Grosvenor]
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Originally Posted By: Grosvenor


Dude! What are you trying to start....

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#5426772 - 11/17/14 03:38 PM Re: Mountain lion territory? [Re: the rattler]
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It is rare for lions to kill 300+ pound calves when there are lots of deer and hogs in an area. You are correct that the coyotes are no doubt moving in and cleaning up the carcasses and will until all is gone. Mountain lions don't eat carrion. Bear are much worse about killing livestock, especially cattle than lions. Are you sure these cattle were killed by a predator or other illness?
I will also say that if a dog man comes in with TRAINED and BROKE hounds, they will not bother your deer. Deer are smart enough to know when they are pursued and dogs that are trailing across the country won't bother them. I have seen deer lying with a 100 yards of where my dogs were treed as they knew that the dogs offered no threat.
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#5426911 - 11/17/14 04:19 PM Re: Mountain lion territory? [Re: the rattler]
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I was told that two were spotted on our lease north of aspermont but I've never seen any sign. There are a ridiculous amount of coyote out there.

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#5427442 - 11/17/14 07:32 PM Re: Mountain lion territory? [Re: the rattler]
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The salt fork north of Aspermont would be great country to range if you were a cat. I'm sure they're around, somewhere.
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#5427747 - 11/17/14 08:58 PM Re: Mountain lion territory? [Re: gary roberson]
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Originally Posted By: gary roberson
It is rare for lions to kill 300+ pound calves when there are lots of deer and hogs in an area. You are correct that the coyotes are no doubt moving in and cleaning up the carcasses and will until all is gone. Mountain lions don't eat carrion. Bear are much worse about killing livestock, especially cattle than lions. Are you sure these cattle were killed by a predator or other illness?
I will also say that if a dog man comes in with TRAINED and BROKE hounds, they will not bother your deer. Deer are smart enough to know when they are pursued and dogs that are trailing across the country won't bother them. I have seen deer lying with a 100 yards of where my dogs were treed as they knew that the dogs offered no threat.
Adios,
Gary


Well put. Straight dogs don't bother deer or anything else.

Hey by the way, I shot a lion 3 miles north of Coleman back in August. Didn't get a good clean shot and wasn't wearing snake protection so I didn't look all that much. I spun him around but didn't draw enough blood to make me chase a wounded cat through knee deep grass and cactus.

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#5427786 - 11/17/14 09:13 PM Re: Mountain lion territory? [Re: the rattler]
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Originally Posted By: the rattler
I have a friend with a ranch in Aspermont, he lost 2 300+lb calves in the last 2 weeks to a big cat. I'm thinking maybe more than one cat. He also saw over 10 coyotes this wkend, killing 2. We always new there were big cats in that area and swore on more than one occasion that we heard something at nite outside the tents, now we know for sure. The coyotes are there to clean up the carcass but he now has a true predator problem. Who else has definitive proof of cats and where?


If it was a cat, you didn't hear them outside your tent if it was walking.
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#5428949 - 11/18/14 12:17 PM Re: Mountain lion territory? [Re: the rattler]
Brian C. Offline
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Well said Gary. One indicator to take note of is at times when a lion or lions move in you will notice your deer herd will move out.
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#5429071 - 11/18/14 01:05 PM Re: Mountain lion territory? [Re: the rattler]
Dave Scott Offline
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I hear tell that if dogs kill livestock or deer they rip it apart from the outside whereas a wild animal tears open the guts and eats the thing inside out. Is there any way to tell if livestock was killed by a cat/lion versus yotes?
On the range. I think that cats/lions on occasion roam, so a normal home range but they can show up beyond normal range at times. The wildlife depts. always seem to down play that notion.

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#5429145 - 11/18/14 01:31 PM Re: Mountain lion territory? [Re: the rattler]
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If you find a fresh kill from a cat they usually try to bury the kill or parts (cover with leaves and twigs)and come back later and finish their meal.

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#5429264 - 11/18/14 02:13 PM Re: Mountain lion territory? [Re: the rattler]
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Registered: 03/24/10
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We have a bunch of them in the ranch in Mexico. As Jimbo said, they will cover their pray and come back later to eat it. You'll find the claw marks on the face of their pray. Back in 96 there were also two calves killed and we found them buried. He was eating the carcass when we found him, but in missed my shot with an old iron sights 30-30. My cousin an I took turns day and night sitting on a tree for over kill for 2 nights before the cat showed up again and was killed by my cousin with a 22lr he had for back up of all things because he missed his first shot the 30-30.

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#5429774 - 11/18/14 05:24 PM Re: Mountain lion territory? [Re: gary roberson]
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Originally Posted By: gary roberson
It is rare for lions to kill 300+ pound calves when there are lots of deer and hogs in an area. You are correct that the coyotes are no doubt moving in and cleaning up the carcasses and will until all is gone. Mountain lions don't eat carrion.


Mountain lions certainly will eat carrion, though it may not be their primary diet. They prefer fresh meat, but are not limited to fresh meat. "Fresh" may be a bit ambiguous as noted by the fact that they will return to a kill (which is carrion) for multiple days.

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/wildlife_damage/nwrc/publications/00pubs/00-54.pdf
http://bismarcktribune.com/lifestyles/ou...19bb2963f4.html
http://mountainlion.org/CAL_ch4.asp
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