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BEWARE! Joseph Gedman aka magnum outfitters el paso...
#5418523
11/13/14 08:49 PM
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We just returned from a supposed 5 day aoudad hunt and only stayed 1 day. The guy is a scam artist and we (4 of us) are filing a civil law suit for fraud. Gave the guy an opportunity to put us on a legitimate property or refund some of our money. he wont answer his phone or email. Two of the guys that went contacted their attorneys this morning.If you need specifics please pm and you can call. Too many issues to lay out in text.
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Re: BEWARE! Joseph Gedman aka magnum outfitters el paso...
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11/13/14 09:04 PM
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Re: BEWARE! Joseph Gedman aka magnum outfitters el paso...
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11/13/14 09:39 PM
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Gave "joe" every opportunity to make it right. He said he would and then vanished. Hope no one else ever gets burned for that kind of money!
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Re: BEWARE! Joseph Gedman aka magnum outfitters el paso...
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11/14/14 03:03 AM
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colt45-90
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this seems kind of odd, did you do your home work, I did a Google search and couldn't find magnum outfitters, you have been on the forum less than a week and your first post is to bash someone that you don't give much info.
hold on Newt, we got a runaway
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Re: BEWARE! Joseph Gedman aka magnum outfitters el paso...
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#5419641
11/14/14 04:49 AM
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I normally keep to myself and stay out of it when it comes to matters like this but in this situation I will vouch for Chuckw. I too was ripped off by Joseph for a large sum of money. He called me when he was just starting off and needed some hunters so I went to check out the ranch and familiar with the area I took some of my clients over there to give it a shot... Well 2 days into the hunt I ended up sending 3 of the 4 clients to another one of my properties due to there being little to no aoudad on the ranch, no sign, and he slipped up and basically said he was hunting the hell out of the place. I also found out that he was advertising the ranch as almost double its actual size and we were hunting on the neighboring property that he did not have permission to access. I also paid for the rights to mule deer hunt and he promised to feed year round (never happened) and when confronted he would not answer and I had to try to track down the rancher. Joeseph never came back and would not refund my money so I paid out of my pocket back to my clients and moved them to another property. Joseph had the audacity to bring in deer hunters right after my guys pulled out and rip them off too, I know this because they called me a few months later for a javelina hunt and he came up.
I heard that he no longer has this property but since meeting Joeseph I have guided about a dozen people that have hunted with him that feel the very same as Chuckw does.
Joseph has a tendency to pop up from time to time and advertise here and there grab a few hunters then disappear as needed. Its sad, be honest with people. If its going to be a hard hunt then advertise it as such and don't BS people.
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Re: BEWARE! Joseph Gedman aka magnum outfitters el paso...
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11/14/14 04:58 AM
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yup, I remember that trip. That dude is shaaaaaay Deeeeee.
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Re: BEWARE! Joseph Gedman aka magnum outfitters el paso...
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11/14/14 05:10 AM
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What a shame. Agree with MM. Be honest.
Crotchety old bastidge
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Re: BEWARE! Joseph Gedman aka magnum outfitters el paso...
[Re: mulie_mike]
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11/14/14 02:07 PM
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Thanks for stepping up Mike. I realize that you really have to be careful how you criticize people within your industry. To many folks will dismiss the message as one party trying to disparage their competition. This may be true at times but I feel that given Mikes reputation here on this board and his proven results that we should take his words to heart. I for one appreciate your willingness to speak up and possibly spare other hunters from getting fleeced by this guy! Baker
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Re: BEWARE! Joseph Gedman aka magnum outfitters el paso...
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11/14/14 02:58 PM
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ChuckW- Sorry about your bad luck. It's unfortunate that a few bad apples can tarnish the reputation of Outfitters overall. I'm glad you are throwing the book at him. That's the only thing that will make him stop.
And, on this same thread you will find a highly regarded Aoudad outfitter in MulieMike. Lots of positive reviews and respect on this site. FYI when y'all decide to try again.
Last edited by TxAg; 11/14/14 02:58 PM.
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Re: BEWARE! Joseph Gedman aka magnum outfitters el paso...
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11/14/14 04:05 PM
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glad you said something Mike, I know you often keep to yourself and I've always encouraged you to speak up more! Good job. people like that are thieves and crooks, we need to expose them and glad OP is taking legal action, that's often the only way to really stop them and get their name on record.
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Re: BEWARE! Joseph Gedman aka magnum outfitters el paso...
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11/14/14 04:10 PM
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Guys like this need to be stopped. Yes, they can tarnish outfitters as a whole but if an outfitter has integrity, as in guys like Mulie Mike, then they will continue to flourish. Guys like Joseph are criminals, period, and should be dealt with as such.
Last edited by WTGuide; 11/14/14 04:10 PM.
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Re: BEWARE! Joseph Gedman aka magnum outfitters el paso...
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11/14/14 04:35 PM
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Chuckw; don't discount the possibility of Criminal Fraud charges. It might take documentation of a pattern, for which Mulie Mike would be a resource, sometimes the law needs a little push to take action.
for every stereotype there's a prototype don't be the prototype
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Re: BEWARE! Joseph Gedman aka magnum outfitters el paso...
[Re: colt45-90]
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11/14/14 05:05 PM
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this seems kind of odd, did you do your home work, I did a Google search and couldn't find magnum outfitters, you have been on the forum less than a week and your first post is to bash someone that you don't give much info. Who are you to question my integrity? I clearly stated the details were to great to list in text but i would share them in a phone conversation!
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Re: BEWARE! Joseph Gedman aka magnum outfitters el paso...
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11/14/14 05:15 PM
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I actually contacted MM about a hunt before i fell into this scam. Honestly, it all came down to money and it appeared that joseph was legitimate. His website looks fairly professional and i had MANY phone, text, and email conversations before the hunt. He was always very polite and professional sounding. He just said all the right things......even though they are all lies! I have the map he sent me that had us hunting on a commercial hunting ranch, another private ranch, AND A TYPE II public hunting area!!!! He told me the place had not been hunted AT ALL since 1997 amd we would be the first. We ran into the cattle rancher and he said joe already had 3 other groups out before us. He drew us a real map of the property we could actually hunt and it was a small fraction of what joe said. I have ALL the email and text correspondence for the lawsuit.
MM, i sincerlely thank you for stepping up to out this piece of garbage. I cant tell you how much i wish we would have booked with you to begin with! If you have any good management hunts come up PLEASE let me know.
Last edited by Chuckw; 11/14/14 05:16 PM.
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Re: BEWARE! Joseph Gedman aka magnum outfitters el paso...
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11/14/14 10:24 PM
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colt45-90
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this seems kind of odd, did you do your home work, I did a Google search and couldn't find magnum outfitters, you have been on the forum less than a week and your first post is to bash someone that you don't give much info. Who are you to question my integrity? I clearly stated the details were to great to list in text but i would share them in a phone conversation! not ? your integrity, just not enough info, thanks for all who stepped up, sorry you are in a mess.
hold on Newt, we got a runaway
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Re: BEWARE! Joseph Gedman aka magnum outfitters el paso...
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11/15/14 03:20 PM
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Don't worry about what some say. Some people rate ones worthiness by how many posts they have on THF. Unlike colt45 I think it's awesome that you would take the time to warn people about this. You have To understand that there are some idiot hunters that cannot be pleased and do nothing to help themselves and will get on here and gripe and give A Really good outfitter a bad name. This does happen and even though it's stupid. I guess you were guilty due to low post count.
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Re: BEWARE! Joseph Gedman aka magnum outfitters el paso...
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11/16/14 12:24 AM
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I too got stuck by Joe Gedman for an auodad hut. It's been about two years ago, we had set a date, tried calling him to firm up the times, etc. and he never returned calls or emails, then his website went down. Last I heard he is living in Deming, New Mexico!
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Re: BEWARE! Joseph Gedman aka magnum outfitters el paso...
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11/16/14 02:44 AM
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He does in fact live in deming NM. He got to us for $4k! Hope you didnt get hurt as bad.
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Re: BEWARE! Joseph Gedman aka magnum outfitters el paso...
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11/24/14 07:56 PM
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I talked to him a number of times last year on an auadad hunt. I was told he had 32,000 acres by el paso to hunt on. that the sheep migrate onto his property in the fall from surrounding ranches. it was $1000 diy hunt for five days. he was very polite. if I didn't have shoulder surgery I would of gone. he even said I could hunt deer the hole season for $1500. the picture on his site are two montana hunters that connected on the first day. at least that's what he said.
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Re: BEWARE! Joseph Gedman aka magnum outfitters el paso...
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11/24/14 08:06 PM
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^^^^ Yeppers! Be transparent! People will appreciate it.
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Re: BEWARE! Joseph Gedman aka magnum outfitters el paso...
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11/27/14 10:30 AM
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Well ole "joe" was supposed to refund our money TWICE now but its just been more LIES! Seriously people BEWARE. He admitted to me that the hunt was not what he had advertised it to be but blamed everything on the land owner and stated he had no idea it was a commercial hunting ranch or that he sent us on to someone elses property. ALL LIES.
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Re: BEWARE! Joseph Gedman aka magnum outfitters el paso...
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12/04/14 10:54 PM
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Re: BEWARE! Joseph Gedman aka magnum outfitters el paso...
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12/20/14 12:49 PM
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Re: BEWARE! Joseph Gedman aka magnum outfitters el paso...
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01/27/15 10:33 PM
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Chuckw i sent you a pm, i to was took by Joesph if you would i sent you my contact info and would like to talk you thanks for your time
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Re: BEWARE! Joseph Gedman aka magnum outfitters el paso...
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01/28/15 05:25 AM
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With everyone knowing where this piece of Turd resides, why has no one went to visit?
Lonnie Paul Walker Jr.
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